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Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Google didn't use OpenJDK, they used Apache Harmony implementation

That's true, but the availability of OpenJDK (which, after all, Google have now switched to) weakens Oracle's argument on the "Effect on the market" factor.

But OpenJDK is GPL. If Google licensed their Android Java as GPL, I guess they'd be OK. However, Google's Java is NOT GPL.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…

The problem is the following: problems that Oracle products are solving are very hard.

On other hand, our SV startup culture is all about making some quick websites and get rich schemes.

So the conclusion is: Oracle is here to stay.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Although Oracle denied they bought Sun just to sue Google you have to wonder since they are claiming "billions" in damages and only paid $7.4 billion after IBM dropped their $7.0 billion bid. This purchase was such a seminal moment for the industry you have to wonder what an alternative history would look like if say IBM or Google made the purchase not to mention some dark horses like Amazon or Red hat.

I meant dark horse only in the sense of unlikely winner. Nothing derogatory was meant by my statement.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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post #100

Oracle is set to repeat the trajectory of SCO. Their primary product (the Oracle DB engine) is being displaced by the NoSQL and things like Postgres. The "next generation" of developers equals SQL engines with "old and bad", and when forced, it ends up with Postgres anyway. Oracle used to survive in significant part by the support of the "database administrators" class. This layer of support is also becoming thinner…

Don't forget Amazon Aurora, and Redshift. With the number of big name customers AWS, these products are the most scary to direct enterprise Oracle DB. Though the smaller and new tech giants of tomorrow will probably be running your Postgres and MySQLs as you mention

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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post #49

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Languages without a corporate owner.

JavaScript is right out. There's such a mish-mash of API owners there that it will give decades of court cases from copyright trolls. This is one of the most important tech cases in history. Oracle is on a fast-track to destroying the software industry with it.

Oh don't worry, Oracle are one step ahead with JavaScript. They launched this Twitter account last week: https://twitter.com/javascript .. and for a week they posted loads of Java stuff on it and haven't failed to point out in replies that they own JavaScript's trademark. The picture of their headquarters is also a nice touch.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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From what I've been told by a contact in their database sales team is that there pipeline for on-premise licenses is drying up quickly but their SaaS business is doing well.

> pipeline for on-premise licenses Sorry for being a grammar nazi, but this one is a serious pet peeve. The singular of "premises" isn't "premise", it's "premises". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premises

Well, as a member of the post-WWII Stasi, I'd like to point out that English generally has no universally accepted authoritative form of the language to which you can persuasively appeal :)

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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That explains a lot about their recent behavior, e.g. dropping Solaris. If everyone is consuming their software over a network, it doesn't matter precisely what it's running on any more (so even if Oracle DBs could scale better on Solaris than on Linux or a BSD, a 1.3x SaaS shared-cluster size costs less than an OS development team.)

They're not dropping Solaris. They're instead changing the release model: https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/entry/oracle_solaris_moving... Personally, I'd say this is similar to Microsoft's decisions around Windows 10.

And that is what they call spin. Didn't they fire the people who write it?

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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post #159

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Not understanding is fine: assuming that something one doesn't understand must be a slur is not fine.

He didn't assume but presume. And I think that's quite understandable for a non native speaker, given the connotation of the word 'dark'.

Actually in this case presuming is not understandable, there is no evidence or reasonable grounds to support his statement.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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post #186

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They absolutely bought Sun just to sue. I used to know someone personally involved on the case. Oracle is a horrible company. To be fair, Google's "don't be evil" is also a bunch of crap. They've done their fair share of shady and exploitive things.

Google wasn't evil, at least not before the IPO (which is when I worked there). People took the slogan seriously and based decisions on it. I don't know what happened.

The people that intended to do evil merely waited until those who didn't intend to do so finished implementing the things they were implementing.

Then they used that sound infrastructure to do evil with, as they had intended to do all along.

Those people that took the slogan seriously were used.

Re: Oracle refuses to accept pro-Google “fair use” verdict in API battle

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Okay, either I'm crazy or everyone else is. Assuming the court isn't trying to set a new precedent with regards to software it seems like Oracle should have easily won this case. There is an argument to be made that APIs shouldn't be copyrightable but surely it's not fair use -- Google's use of Java doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria.

Courts in a common law jurisdiction (like the UK and US) don't have to try to set a precedent, each ruling tends to set a precedent. That is what makes common law common, the same law is applied everywhere, so any new ruling would be applied everywhere. This is exactly why judges avoid making rulings that would set a new precedent! I hope I haven't oversimplified a complicated subject!
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