I hope Oracle wins. The sooner Java dies, the better.
I still don't understand why Google did not buy Sun Microsystems. They hired a lot of the staff anyway, and could have avoided the lawsuit.
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#14Another thought too: Oracle kicking the hornet's nest on this may end up being a "good thing". Their verdict was dubious at best, they might get overturned and lose even more ground and $.
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#15Oracle is at that stage where they didn't invent or do anything right in the last 5 years but try to get money from lawsuits.
From what I've been told by a contact in their database sales team is that there pipeline for on-premise licenses is drying up quickly but their SaaS business is doing well.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you that hateful of Java that you are blind to the implications of an Oracle win? It won't be just Java 'dying.'
Our laws governing software are so fundamentally broken already lol. It doesn't matter anymore.
This is not helpful. Specifically, petulance will not lead to improvement.
To that end, do you have any suggestions on making things better? Do you contribute to any organizations that are trying?
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#17I hope Oracle wins. The sooner Java dies, the better.
I still don't understand why Google did not buy Sun Microsystems. They hired a lot of the staff anyway, and could have avoided the lawsuit.
Hiring the staff and handling the lawsuit - Google has their own in-house law firm anyways - has likely worked out to be cheaper for them than buying Sun Microsystems would have been.
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#19Okay, either I'm crazy or everyone else is. Assuming the court isn't trying to set a new precedent with regards to software it seems like Oracle should have easily won this case. There is an argument to be made that APIs shouldn't be copyrightable but surely it's not fair use -- Google's use of Java doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria.
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#20Although Oracle denied they bought Sun just to sue Google you have to wonder since they are claiming "billions" in damages and only paid $7.4 billion after IBM dropped their $7.0 billion bid.
This purchase was such a seminal moment for the industry you have to wonder what an alternative history would look like if say IBM or Google made the purchase not to mention some dark horses like Amazon or Red hat.