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The UK is one of the most ethnically diverse and tolerant nations on Earth. This is a fact you'll find difficult to argue against.
London you mean...
No, all the UK actually
Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
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Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
The UK is one of the most ethnically diverse and tolerant nations on Earth. This is a fact you'll find difficult to argue against.
Cursory looked up some ethnographic statistics the other day, and if wikipedia is to be trusted, UK as a whole certainly does not appear to be very ethnically diverse - although London is.
Good for you. Can wikipedia tell you what other countries fair better?
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
#193There's a lot of clutching at straws going on at the moment. People coming out with political or legal theories, trying to interpret David Cameron's failure to immediately declare leaving under article 50 as kicking the whole issue into the long grass etc etc. This is the latest, like others it's more of an exercise in denial than it is in reality. Many of these things could come to pass, it's true, but each one carr…
The trouble with that "democratically expressed opinon" was that a) it was a 2% majority b) 36% of eligible voters voted for leaving, and c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled.
That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as opposed to the FTSE100 which doesn't), makes the out vote at best questonable right now.
Be that as it may, I voted remain, but only beause now was not a good time to leave and nobody seemed to have a plan for exit. But I have faith in Britain - what I hope will happen is that we will accept freedom of movement, and that we will bloody well deal with it properly this time by shutting up the racists and investing in intrastructure, health and housing such that the cause of all the mess that led up to all this doesn't happen again. Fuck austerity this time - spend like there's no tomorrow, because frankly there might not be a tommorrow otherwise. Whethe that actually happens in my lifetime, I doubt, but hey oh.
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
London you mean...
No, all the UK actually
Look at Gloucestershire.
Overall it's not particularly diverse. One of the larger towns (Cheltenham, pop about 110,000) is 96% White British in last census. Nearby Gloucester is much more diverse - one street has over 70 different languages spoken as a first language, and the school in the UK (but outside London) with most different languages spoken as a first language is in Gloucester.
So, while I believe the UK is diverse it's a bit more complicated than that.
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not that many intelligent people are actually 'pro Leave': http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/files/2016/06/brexit-education-re...
My point is that it's completely idiotic to characterise highly-prestigious globalist think-tanks as anti-immigration or lacking intellectual capacity. They hold globalist perspectives which are worth reading and understanding; in fact the more divorced they are from establishment positions, the more worthwhile it is to understand them. You are right that there are lots of people without University educations which b…
Many of the Leave campaigners do actually subscribe to these libertarian views, including the only UKIP MP.
But they clearly believed so strongly, that they didn't think it was wrong to stoke immigration fears to win, and then turn round and explain that actually, free market economics suggests that low wage immigration is actually a good thing. This is playing with fire, and may end tragically.
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
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I am utterly disgusted and bloody sick of being portrayed as a racist, xenophobic bigot because I wanted to take back democratic control of my country. Race issues had nothing to do with my decision to leave. How dare you paint me in that light when you know absolutely nothing about me or my motives for wanting to remove my country from the clutches of an undemocratic state. Your narrow-mindedness is part of the reas…
It annoys me as well, and I was in favor of staying in. Its the same when anyone raises an objection to immigration, they are almost immediately silenced by calls of racism or xenophobia. Thats no way to have a proper debate about anything.
"anyone raises an objection to immigration, they are almost immediately silenced by calls of racism or xenophobia"
The probelm is that those who raise objections to immigration never seem to have anything constructive to say after that. So if you're not a racist or xenophbe, how about we have a discussion about allowing freedom of movement but actually SOLVING the problems that have been brought about by it?
The EU are going to demand freedom of movement if we are to stay in the EEA - so what's your answer?
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
#197There's a lot of clutching at straws going on at the moment. People coming out with political or legal theories, trying to interpret David Cameron's failure to immediately declare leaving under article 50 as kicking the whole issue into the long grass etc etc. This is the latest, like others it's more of an exercise in denial than it is in reality. Many of these things could come to pass, it's true, but each one carr…
The trouble with that "democratically expressed opinon" was that a) it was a 2% majority b) 36% of eligible voters voted for leaving, and c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled. That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as o…
> c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled.
You could make the same argument about those that voted to remain.
> That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as opposed to the FTSE100 which doesn't), makes the out vote at best questonable right now.
Not really. It's only natural that there will be some short term downward moves in the markets due to uncertainty about the future. But we don't know what the medium and long term holds.
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
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So.. what were your motives?
Democratic control. That was it. I knew that it would have a negative effect on the economy short term but I wanted the control to be in the hands of the people I elected.
EU still has UK representatives...nominated by the ones you democratically elected.. But I get your point.
Unfortunately the most discussed argument is to have sovereignty over who can come into the country and who cannot. That is racism to me.
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
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The trouble with that "democratically expressed opinon" was that a) it was a 2% majority b) 36% of eligible voters voted for leaving, and c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled. That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as o…
> c) some proportion of those may well have either not undertood what they were voting for, or were misled. You could make the same argument about those that voted to remain. > That, combined with the fact that things are currently going to hell in a hand basket (look at the FTSE250, comprised of business that make most their money within the UK, as opposed to the FTSE100 which doesn't), makes the out vote at best qu…
> You could make the same argument about those that voted to remain.
Yes. Do you have any examples?
Here's the one I'm going to keep using from the Leave campaign: http://imgur.com/indvx6a
Re: Could the Scottish Parliament Stop the UK from Leaving the EU?
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No, all the UK actually
Look at Gloucestershire. Overall it's not particularly diverse. One of the larger towns (Cheltenham, pop about 110,000) is 96% White British in last census. Nearby Gloucester is much more diverse - one street has over 70 different languages spoken as a first language, and the school in the UK (but outside London) with most different languages spoken as a first language is in Gloucester. So, while I believe the UK is…
If you ask ten random people in the UK to tell you where Gloucestershire is I would be surprised if more than three of them would be able to?