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Re: We Need to Have Sympathy for Those With Depression. It is an Illness

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Post by foobarqux » Sat, Feb 02, 2013, 6:13 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #168

foobarqux wrote: post #136

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CBT seems to be based on the idea that "wrong thought" breeds negative emotions. For example "I always screw up" should be replaced with "I screwed up this time". But if something like "I screw up on X most of the time" or "I am in the bottom percentile for X" are statements that may occur to an analytical person that are objectively true and may directly cause negative emotions. My understanding of CBT is that it su…

No. This is a misunderstanding of what CBT is about. > But if something like "I screw up on X most of the time" or "I am in the bottom percentile for X" are statements that may occur to an analytical person that are objectively true and may directly cause negative emotions. Okay. > My understanding of CBT is that it suggests replacing these thoughts with positive forms like "sometimes I succeed at X" and "I'm better…

My understanding of CBT comes primarily from Burn's "Feeling Good", the exemplar for CBT therapy.

The quotes below are taken from the book and are consistent with my previous description of CBT.

"change the way you feel by changing the way you think".

"... we think that the causes [of our bad moods] result from something beyond our control... you can learn to change the way you think about things, and you can also change your values and beliefs. And when you do, you will often experience profound and lasting changes in your mood, outlook, and productivity. That in a nutshell is what cognitive therapy is all about."

Emphasis mine.

Re: We Need to Have Sympathy for Those With Depression. It is an Illness

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Post by atsaloli » Sun, Feb 03, 2013, 8:53 PM UTC

chris_wot wrote: post #171

atsaloli wrote: post #159

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Thank you. This is quite instructive. What makes a great citation? The claim was that a book was published, and I showed the book. Another claim was that a resolution was passed and I showed the resolution. I thought I was doing well until I read chris's reply. :) I will address chris's point that eugenics is not a theory recognized in psychiatry. 1. Forced sterilization of mental patients was done by social psychiat…

I'm not denying awful things were one in the name f psychiatry, but these ate the current state of the field/profession.

The current state of the "mental health" profession/field includes suffocating patients in attachment therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Newmaker), fraud (http://www.justice.gov/usao/lae/news/2010/2010_08_19_maria_c...), and rape (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/doctor-shock-anti-g...).

Electric shock is still considered a valid form of therapy in the profession (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/electroconvulsive-therapy/M...).

Re: We Need to Have Sympathy for Those With Depression. It is an Illness

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Post by chris_wot » Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 8:24 AM UTC

Buzaga wrote: post #143

chris_wot wrote: post #102

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Otherwise commonly referred to as a "summary". You may have heard of it.

let me rephrase it then, a numeric list of general stuff that came up from a committee, that changes every 5 years or so, that anyone in whole world could identify in them in some point their lifes for (generally) a lifetime diagnosis that's given with medical authority backing, like the ones where they know cause, effect and solution? sad joke...

Not really much different from the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems.

Re: We Need to Have Sympathy for Those With Depression. It is an Illness

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Post by chris_wot » Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 11:27 AM UTC

atsaloli wrote: post #182

chris_wot wrote: post #171

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I'm not denying awful things were one in the name f psychiatry, but these ate the current state of the field/profession.

The current state of the "mental health" profession/field includes suffocating patients in attachment therapy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Newmaker ), fraud ( http://www.justice.gov/usao/lae/news/2010/2010_08_19_maria_c... ), and rape ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/doctor-shock-anti-g... ). Electric shock is still considered a valid form of therapy in the profession ( http://www.mayoclinic.com/h…

Extreme cases in a large profession does not mean the entire profession is like the cases you cite. ECT is still considered a valid form of therapy because it is a valid form of therapy.