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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by 999900000999 »

p-e-w wrote: post #81
noufalibrahim wrote: post #75

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In a certain way, moving from "Free Software" to "Open Source" started this transition and it's not slowing down.

Imagine if the AGPL had become the default license for open source projects, as it was intended to when the service provider loophole in the GPL became apparent. The software industry would be unrecognizable. Instead, millions of developers now gift corporations their work by releasing everything under MIT or Apache, and those corporations take from that treasure trove what they want and give back what they want, whi…

Some projects , like Godot are MIT so contributors can use it for their own commercial projects.

Occasionally, EA for example, a big corp will donate some money to. Apple has created PRS to add support for Vision Pro.

If Godot was GPL it would be useless for most commercial game devs.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by forgetfreeman »

limagnolia wrote: post #179
bonzini wrote: post #134

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What killed Drupal, and what replaced it? WordPress?

The Drupal Association and its mismanagement of the community? I don't know how dead Drupal is, but I used to actively use and promote it and I have long since moved on, due in part to the Drupal Associations shenanigans.

I glanced at D.O the other day and was depressed to find they're reporting 400k active installs. I remember when that was 16M and growing. We're talking a loss of 97.5% of active sites. I'm betting the few that remain are mostly small government and nonprofit websites that haven't managed to put together the budget for a migration away from the platform. So yeah pretty dead. And yeah I blame the Drupal Association by way of Aquia and Microsoft. I left the project with a clear conscience after explaining in detail to an entire roomful of core developers that objectifying the codebase a la Laravel would kill the project stone dead within 5 years. Predictably they offered the typical "community developers are bad and don't want to learn" sneer as their primary defense of the decision. RIP.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by playorizaya »

romaniv wrote: post #157

Nonsensical corporate posturing. "Microsoft will contribute expertise, resources, and AI technologies to help responsibly identify and fix vulnerabilities" As a reminder, Microsoft runs NPM and GitHub. Microsoft has access to the best AI models and massive data centers. Despite that, their own products are rapidly getting worse at security and their services are central hubs through which various exploits are propaga…

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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by forgetfreeman »

bborud wrote: post #172
bonzini wrote: post #134

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What killed Drupal, and what replaced it? WordPress?

But surely the death of any large chunk of PHP leaving the stage is cause for applause and boisterous shouts of joy?

Having coded back end projects in PHP, Perl, Python, and Node idk wtf folks who make comments like this are on about. Node took all of the worst aspects of JavaScript and spread them to back end development. Someone should have ended up on trial in the Hague for that particular crime against humanity and PHP is what you're grumbling about? Seriously?

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by abc123abc123 »

ninjagoo wrote: post #84

> We are joined by Amazon Web Services, Anthropic, Chainguard, Cisco, Citi, Endor Labs, Ericsson, Google, IBM, JPMorganChase, Microsoft and GitHub, NVIDIA, OpenAI, RapidFort, Red Hat, Rust Foundation, Sonatype, Vodafone, and Zscaler A lot of open source folks are going to be very skeptical, rightly so, of this group of players. > ... to find, fix, and responsibly disclose vulnerabilities in critical open source softw…

Note that the LF of today is basically just like any other global corporation with its own political agenda. You can just follow the money, and see that it is controlled by corporations. They neutered Torvalds, are very woke, and generally a nightmare to work with.

I always advice aspiring open source enthusiasts to stay far, far away from the Linux Foundation. It has become a barrier to software freedom these days, rather than an enabler.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by abc123abc123 »

cryo32 wrote: post #29

No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it. I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.

Note that the LF of today is basically just like any other global corporation with its own political agenda. You can just follow the money, and see that it is controlled by corporations. They neutered Torvalds, are very woke, and generally a nightmare to work with.

I always advice aspiring open source enthusiasts to stay far, far away from the Linux Foundation. It has become a barrier to software freedom these days, rather than an enabler.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by amouat »

RustyRussell wrote: post #115
amouat wrote: post #95

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My best understanding from reading this is a) where possible and b) where necessary. This is the Linux Foundation, so it must put OSS and community first, surely. People talk about contributing financially, but how and to what end? Most projects aren't set up to accept or utilise donations. That said, I would say we should be providing all OSS projects with significant access to AI in order to review their codebases…

Um, the Linux Foundation is an industry body, not a user or community group. You seem confused?

No, not really, and I don't think you need to be snarky.

It may be an industry body, but it runs multiple community conferences and projects which support Open Source. A notable example in this case being the OpenSSF https://openssf.org/

The LF is not perfect, but I would expect them to come from an OSS and community angle on this.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by jdw64 »

high_5 wrote: post #124
jdw64 wrote: post #78

After reading this. I realize how different Asian and Western consciousness really are. My entire technology stack was built on Microsoft's ecosystem, not on open source. This was Microsoft's attempt to expand their base for the corporate hiring market and OS market share. Conversely, open source was a huge barrier for me. When I have a product I've built, I have to get past open source, but accessing open source com…

The Personal Computer culture in the SV developed from the counterculture in the valley: https://kbsm.org/technology/california-tech-culture-that-sha... It then hopped on the Free Software movement with redefining it as "open source" while the Internet was booming. And all of that is now being reaped by the corporations the "tech-hippies" themselves helped to create.

thanks, i will read it

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by kruffalon »

limagnolia wrote: post #176
trumpdong wrote: post #156

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I think you can get recognition just as well with share-alike licenses. Plus you leave the opportunity open to ask for money for a different license grant.

If you share your code with me under a copy left license, I will share my contributions under the same copy left license... you will not then be free to ask for money for things built on top of or with my contributions. You may be okay with that, but it is a decision you have to make.

A common misunderstanding with the GPL and other copy left licences is that they care about money and monetary transactions.

They mostly do not.

They only demand that you offer the source code to anyone that asks for it if you also distribute any kind of executable (you may even charge to cover the costs of the distribution).

The AGPL expands this to SaaS's too to close that loophole.

Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together

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Post by tga_d »

nickelpro wrote: post #155
ninjagoo wrote: post #84

> We are joined by Amazon Web Services, Anthropic, Chainguard, Cisco, Citi, Endor Labs, Ericsson, Google, IBM, JPMorganChase, Microsoft and GitHub, NVIDIA, OpenAI, RapidFort, Red Hat, Rust Foundation, Sonatype, Vodafone, and Zscaler A lot of open source folks are going to be very skeptical, rightly so, of this group of players. > ... to find, fix, and responsibly disclose vulnerabilities in critical open source softw…

> A lot of open source folks are going to be very skeptical, rightly so, of this group of players. You say this as if these players aren't members of "the open source folks". It's not an exclusive club.

I don't see how that was implied? Just because someone is part of the "club" doesn't mean many other "members" can't be skeptical of their role.

In fact, it doesn't even seem difficult to simultaneously acknowledge and commend the valuable role they play, while also expressing concern over the influence they wield and how it might contrast with desires and goals of the wider community.

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