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We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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Oh that ship sailed over a decade ago. Industry appeasement is a big part of what killed Drupal.
What killed Drupal, and what replaced it? WordPress?
But surely the death of any large chunk of PHP leaving the stage is cause for applause and boisterous shouts of joy?
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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> It seems to me as someone who wasn't paying attention to open source 10 or 20 years ago that its no longer a real community effort. I would disagree with this, it's the same amount of community effort as it's always been. Big projects have big governance, and receive lots of patches. Smaller projects receive fewer patches. The community generally happens in Discord or IRC or on mailing lists, but it definitely exis…
I fully understand that I may be completely wrong but I just dont see that a lot of effort comes from outside a projects core maintainers. Its always a core maintainer group usually paid by some company doing 95% of the work and the patches contributed are localizations, small bug fixes and weird edge cases. I'm not an open source maintainer so I could be completely off base here.
This perception comes from a high amount of trust required to take big submissions; If I know and trust the submitter, I'm more willing to accept a bigger patch. If you really want to contribute big changes to a project, it usually involves communicating with the core maintainers a lot, and essentially becoming one of them. Pion/webrtc is my favorite example of a project with a maintainer group who are employed by many different companies. Sean Dubois is the primary maintainer of that project, and does a good job of welcoming people into the fold.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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The Personal Computer culture in the SV developed from the counterculture in the valley: https://kbsm.org/technology/california-tech-culture-that-sha... It then hopped on the Free Software movement with redefining it as "open source" while the Internet was booming. And all of that is now being reaped by the corporations the "tech-hippies" themselves helped to create.
If anyone's interested in this: "From Counterculture to Cyberculture" by Fred Turner and "What the Dormouse Said" by John Markoff. Putting my nostalgia-tinted glasses on, it's sad how far we've strayed from that.
Yeah, I had Fred Turner in mind when posting. A bit dry, but comprehensive.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#175> We are joined by Amazon Web Services, Anthropic, Chainguard, Cisco, Citi, Endor Labs, Ericsson, Google, IBM, JPMorganChase, Microsoft and GitHub, NVIDIA, OpenAI, RapidFort, Red Hat, Rust Foundation, Sonatype, Vodafone, and Zscaler A lot of open source folks are going to be very skeptical, rightly so, of this group of players. > ... to find, fix, and responsibly disclose vulnerabilities in critical open source softw…
> A lot of open source folks are going to be very skeptical, rightly so, of this group of players. You say this as if these players aren't members of "the open source folks". It's not an exclusive club.
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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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I believe Open Source software sold developers the dream of "to be hired for what they have developed" and cash-in the effort they have spent as a future, stable employment. Many die on the hill of "developing something required for free with permissive licenses for recognition which will help with their future endeavors", which is the same with other creative lines of work. As a result they are milked of their knowl…
I think you can get recognition just as well with share-alike licenses. Plus you leave the opportunity open to ask for money for a different license grant.
If you share your code with me under a copy left license, I will share my contributions under the same copy left license... you will not then be free to ask for money for things built on top of or with my contributions. You may be okay with that, but it is a decision you have to make.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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Um, the Linux Foundation is an industry body, not a user or community group. You seem confused?
I am pretty sure that these industries use the open source projects the Linux Foundation maintains. So it is pretty clear the Linux Foundation is indeed a user community group, too.
These are also some of the largest Linux code contributors as well.
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Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
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Oh that ship sailed over a decade ago. Industry appeasement is a big part of what killed Drupal.
What killed Drupal, and what replaced it? WordPress?
The Drupal Association and its mismanagement of the community? I don't know how dead Drupal is, but I used to actively use and promote it and I have long since moved on, due in part to the Drupal Associations shenanigans.
Re: We all depend on open source. We will defend it together
#180Good stuff.
> We are joined by Amazon Web Services…
Does that include anything more than soundbites? This effort is likely to require organizational support, and funding.
It’s not clear to me, that the organizations supplying the quotes, are “undersigned.” Not all of the quotes make it clear that the organization is doing anything more than asking an LLM to generate some text.