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Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by BowBun »

nicce wrote: post #168
urams wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be noted that this user is basically an OAI shill account. You can look through their history to see this quite clearly. Anecdata, but I have a friend at OAI who claims that on both twitter and HN there is mild coordination of OAI employees to signal boost pro-OAI and anti-competitor messaging.

Does it matter? What of their claims were false? You should undo the claims, not attack the account.

> Does it matter?

It sure does, readers should be informed of who says what. The speaker and their history is part of full communication, not just the words.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by windexh8er »

CityOfThrowaway wrote: post #164
shimman wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only people "relying" on this are other startups whose VC benefactors force them to use other products under their portfolio in order to goose up their numbers.

I've raised venture from a lot of the big firms (and a lot of small firms) and have never had any of them attempt to force me to use anything.

You may not even see it. I worked in a startup whose founder had money dipped into about a dozen products in the cyber security vertical. Many of those startups, I later found out, had access or used products from others in his portfolio. Basically taking $50k and cycling it through all of them buying something from the other one. I doubt it was a money laundering scheme, but it sure was convenient to just add logos of "customers" to the Nascar pitch slide.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by BeetleB »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #57

I had never heard of Stainless, but it is deeply concerning that Anthropic are able to use monopoly money to kill software at their whim. First Bun, and now this. It's one thing for a corporation to do it with their own money, because at some point the board will ask them why they're wasting money. But Anthropic isn't even profitable. They're doing this with billions of dollars of borrowed money. Same thing with Open…

> but it is deeply concerning that Anthropic are able to use monopoly money to kill software at their whim. First Bun, and now this.

It almost sounds like you want Lina Khan back :-D

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by eab- »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #143
jrsj wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s gotten better within the last month or so but historically there’s been an excessive amount of anti-OAI and pro-Anthropic activity on this site as well and I’ve seen numerous posts get downvoted and almost instantly flagged for calling this out more politely than you have here. So at least anecdotally I really don’t think it’s fair to portray this as OAI doing some sort of social media psyop as if others aren’t…

IDK if I'd call it "better." HN did a massive 180 in the last month or two, and nearly every post or comment related to Anthropic is just a hate post. The amount of anger against Anthropic on HN doesn't reflect anything I see in reality (and I work at a pretty big FAANG with Codex and Claude Code, both are great) so I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing o…

Honestly I expect it's just annoyed devs getting annoyed about the ratelimits on plans and post-hoc justifying. Now that Codex has far more capacity and their slot machine makes better outcomes (note: I am a heavy LLM-assisted coder) they feel like they have to justify their felt animosity towards these companies

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by 2001zhaozhao »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #143
jrsj wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s gotten better within the last month or so but historically there’s been an excessive amount of anti-OAI and pro-Anthropic activity on this site as well and I’ve seen numerous posts get downvoted and almost instantly flagged for calling this out more politely than you have here. So at least anecdotally I really don’t think it’s fair to portray this as OAI doing some sort of social media psyop as if others aren’t…

IDK if I'd call it "better." HN did a massive 180 in the last month or two, and nearly every post or comment related to Anthropic is just a hate post. The amount of anger against Anthropic on HN doesn't reflect anything I see in reality (and I work at a pretty big FAANG with Codex and Claude Code, both are great) so I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing o…

Personally i've just been using Claude Code with a coding agent UI (vibe-kanban) that has wrapped over "claude -p" for more than half a year without problems. I'd only been coding interactively and well within the terms of their subscription plan. I'm not even that much of a heavy user, I'm only hitting 10-40% of my weekly quota on a given week, and I basically only use the subscription outside of what Anthropic considers peak hours.

And then I got caught in the collateral damage a few days ago when Anthropic announced changes to their subscription plan billing, just like every other user of that tool and similar tools like Conductor and Zed. So in a month I won't be able to use my Claude sub quotas for these tools, all because some other people are ruining it for everyone by using "claude -p" to run openclaw, hermes agent and autonomous dark factories that burn billions of tokens a day.

I would have been fine with the change, except Anthropic's messaging was very slimy. They tried to spin their change as a positive change even though it was clearly not for anyone who was using a "claude -p" wrapper over Claude Code for better UX. They're within their rights to change their subscription billing, but they still couldn't be honest to their own users about it. Evidently, this kind of gaslighting and PR stunts is something they've done over and over in the last few months. It just didn't impact me until this time.

I care about AI safety and it would take a lot for me to switch from Anthropic to OAI, but I just wish they were less arrogant and cared about their users more. Right now their behavior is at best selfish (or overly consequentialist, and I don't mean that in a good way), and at worst actively hurting their AI safety efforts by pushing people to open-weight model alternatives which are way more dangerous than closed models due to people being able to remove their safeguards easily.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by axus »

btown wrote: post #47
kristjansson wrote: post #41

Some clarity about existing users/SDKs would go a long way. Otherwise this reads like "we just bought OpenAI's front door and we're EOLing it. Hopefully no one was planning to use it in the future". Petty and pointless.

Via https://www.stainless.com/blog/stainless-is-joining-anthropi... that's exactly what seems to have happened: > As we focus on Claude Platform capabilities and connecting agents to APIs, we’ll be winding down all hosted Stainless products, including our SDK generator. Starting today, new signups, projects, and SDKs will not be available. > If you’re a Stainless customer, visit app.stainless.com/transition for help…

Looks like contracts (enterprise, even!) matter again

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by rafram »

CityOfThrowaway wrote: post #164
shimman wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only people "relying" on this are other startups whose VC benefactors force them to use other products under their portfolio in order to goose up their numbers.

I've raised venture from a lot of the big firms (and a lot of small firms) and have never had any of them attempt to force me to use anything.

Go to the website of pretty much any AI startupslop, Google who led their series A, then Google who led the series A of the other AI startups (it’s always other AI startups) whose logos they show as users/testimonials/case studies on their landing page. You’ll start seeing a pattern.

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by whimsicalism »

wiether wrote: post #171
solenoid0937 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IDK if I'd call it "better." HN did a massive 180 in the last month or two, and nearly every post or comment related to Anthropic is just a hate post. The amount of anger against Anthropic on HN doesn't reflect anything I see in reality (and I work at a pretty big FAANG with Codex and Claude Code, both are great) so I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing o…

> I do suspect that OAI is doing some guerrilla marketing here, while Anthropic isn't really marketing or doing PR at all. That is a very HN-minded comment. Sure, there's probably some accounts that are more or less controlled by the big AI labs here. But looking at how humans have been acting for the last 20 years, you'll see that you don't need to pay people to promote things. They'll do it freely, because they ide…

on twitter it is pretty clear that openai employees engage in coordinated messaging in a way that I haven't seen from other frontier labs. i say that as someone who prefers codex/gpt-5.5

Re: Anthropic acquires Stainless

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Post by borski »

windexh8er wrote: post #178
atomicthumbs wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hundreds of companies rely on Stainless to generate SDKs, CLIs, and MCP servers—the libraries, command-line tools, and connectors that let developers and agents use an API." not anymore lol

I'm waiting for the Enterprise space to wise up. For anyone who's ever worked with any reasonably large company as a vendor (especially a small one) you know how painful redlines in legal can be. Why TF haven't enterprise made it more painful for these events? Basically state that if the service is purchased/sold/shuttered prior to the contract expiry date that a significant penalty (e.g. full refund) is required and…

Usually because they need the technology the vendor is selling.

But buyers try to insert this language into partner/ biz dev contracts all the time.

Much less common for sales.

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