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HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by pixl97 »

reaperducer wrote: post #158
nicoburns wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're claiming a huge increase in traffic due to vibe coded projects. It might just be an excuse, but it certainly seems plausible to me.

They're claiming a huge increase in traffic due to vibe coded projects. It might just be an excuse, but it certainly seems plausible to me. I simply do not care. Customers pay for a service. If they don't get what they paid for, it's perfectly reasonable and normal to go elsewhere. Why do people on HN keep apologizing on the behalf of trillion-dollar companies?

I mean, what will happen here is people will go to other services and they'll get overloaded too.

Self hosted is probably the way to go, but hardware prices are insane currently.

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Post by jonfw »

fourseventy wrote: post #176
jonfw wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Could be. But 99% of the repos are static garbage with no PR nor actions. But the 1% of repos that do have PRs and actions are likely going to be seeing enormous increases in volumes I have been a part of two very large companies with self hosted gits and I've seen enough to be confident that this is an incredibly hard thing to manage

Ya but they are owned by freaking microsoft and have billions of dollars and employees to throw at the problem. The outage problems shouldn't be happening period.

Easy to say that! Some problems are legitimately hard to solve though. Github is likely seeing usage patterns that have never been seen before and I bet some of these failure modes are novel

If you are at the limits of your architecture you may need to re-write things, and if you are rewriting things you can not arbitrarily speed that up by throwing dollars at it.

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Post by codingdave »

ulbu wrote: post #144
joombaga wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who are you quoting?

"Writing software doesn't require GitHub". Well, if they do not need whatever is specific to github and claim that someone who sorely lacks these features has a mental problem...

To be fair, the author of the post said the same thing. From the other thread on HN, they themselves said: "Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. "

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Post by NetOpWibby »

cocoflunchy wrote: post #121
mettamage wrote: post #118

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I'm a bit out of the loop, why are people moving away from Github?

Mainly this https://mrshu.github.io/github-statuses/ But also product decisions that don't seem to be aligned with the preferences of users... see https://mitchellh.com/writing/ghostty-leaving-github

There's partial outages even today?! Good grief!

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Post by eightys3v3n »

et-al wrote: post #165
ajdude wrote: post #2

[Dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47939579

Yeah, I don't know how this dupe is making it to the front page when the first-party blog post with mitchellh posting in the thread is right there.

In my case it's because the title on this post is more interesting.

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Post by olafmol »

WestCoader wrote: post #6

Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

Out of interest: what VCS where you using with CircleCI? (as CircleCI is VCS agnostic)

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Post by alexjplant »

torben-friis wrote: post #143
bellowsgulch wrote: post #125

I’m certain I’m up there in the 1% of users, or close to it, that are writing software daily in terms of consistent prolonged volume of work and work that is actually used by others over the past nearly 20 years based on user activity statistics I’ve collected. I, too, am a fairly, but not immediate early user of GitHub. Despite GitHub’s poor metrics, I am still shipping, because writing software doesn’t require GitH…

>if he wasn’t who he was and you read these comments, you’d think this person had a problem. So, I think he does. Honestly, I thought you were demeaning him to defend GitHub. But after reading the article, it does seem like his emotional reaction is not aligned with the situation. Just saying it openly for others who get the same impression I did. That said, GitHub can be a full time job for many (handling and respon…

No, calling him "disturbed" was entirely out of line. As with everything it's not GitHub per se that is causing him consternation but the loss of what it represents:

> “Some people doom scroll social media. I've been doom scrolling GitHub issues since before that was a word,” he admitted. “On vacations I'd have bookmarks of different projects on GitHub I wanted to study. Not just source code, but OSS processes, how other maintainers react to difficult situations. Etc. Believe it or not, I like this.”

> “I've been angry about it. I've hurt people's feelings. I've been lashing out. Because GitHub is failing me, every single day, and it is personal. It is irrationally personal,” he wrote.

He is a passionate person whose identity is heavily invested in community and technical achievement. He's upset about his world being disrupted, not that GitHub as a product is failing him. This is how high-performing people are - they care deeply about their work. Could you imagine leveling these charges at a visual artist when they complain about a company messing with their favorite pencil? Or a saxophonist when their reed of choice is discontinued? It's petty and reductionist.

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Post by HWR_14 »

Barbing wrote: post #140
ori_b wrote: post #112

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Note the lack of concrete numbers on how much they have scaled. Somebody may have just asked an LLM for projections.

Would Microsoft lawyers OK that? GitHub would have obligations to MS investors to make accurate projections just like Microsoft itself, right?

I don't think it's an issue here. If the investor relations people put it out, it would be. But in this case it is closer to marketing.
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