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HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by Quothling »

Muromec wrote: post #61
WestCoader wrote: post #6

Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

Azure repos are kinda fine. It's really basic and there is nothing to break. I actually really really like their ticketing thingy for the same reason. It has the necessary stuff and the management types can't add a million of fields to it and annoy me with reporting, burndown charts or what not.

It has an annoying bug where approving PR's from the cli won't delete branches when you squash commit, while clicking the button in the UI does it perfectly fine. It's been a bug for a while (as in several years), and if you find something like that, don't expect it to ever be fixed. As a whole it's not a bad tool though.

As you say it's limited, but that can be both good and bad.

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by ori_b »

jodrellblank wrote: post #76
HWR_14 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is GitHub scaling by orders of magnitude though? That would be an insane increase at this stage of their lifecycle.

They say it is at least one order of magnitude[1]; " our plan to increase GitHub’s capacity by 10X in October 2025 .. By February 2026, it was clear that we needed to design for a future that requires 30X today’s scale. " [1] https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/an-update-on-...

Note the lack of concrete numbers on how much they have scaled. Somebody may have just asked an LLM for projections.

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by bisby »

ori_b wrote: post #110
WestCoader wrote: post #6

Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH. The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this. Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't ins…

You can cancel the migration, no need for sunk cost fallacy.

"You" can't necessarily do anything (you would be making a lot of assumptions about the influence this person has over the decision making process).

"Someone" can cancel the migration. "Someone" just won't.

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by ori_b »

bisby wrote: post #114
ori_b wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can cancel the migration, no need for sunk cost fallacy.

"You" can't necessarily do anything (you would be making a lot of assumptions about the influence this person has over the decision making process). "Someone" can cancel the migration. "Someone" just won't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by xp84 »

Mashimo wrote: post #19
gonzo41 wrote: post #11

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Mee too. We just did a very similar migration at work it's incredibly frustrating, I've got all my CI ported over and now this. MSFT should just create slophub.com they'd make money im sure.

Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.

I think you’ve got it backwards. GitHub is by far the market leader for hosted repositories and maybe for CI too. This is like asking “Why are companies interested in using AWS?”

When one firm is so dominant for so long, the question is more like “Why shouldn’t we just use GitHub like 80% of software companies do?”

The issues they’ve had are almost all very recent. Very few companies have reevaluated that decision, because moving a big and well-integrated part of infrastructure is a huge project that delivers no value to the business. Speculating that you’ll have fewer development-slowing outages is not the most convincing when asking for the budget to do this. Plus, self-hosted isn’t necessarily going to have better uptime - mistakes happen.

I think before Actions, it would have been a lot easier to migrate off GH though. You’d just need to change a lot of repo URLs and find a way to set up webhooks from the new place to poke CI. Now with Actions, a lot lives in GH and in a proprietary flavor that doesn’t just ‘lift and shift.’

Re: HashiCorp co-founder says GitHub 'no longer a place for serious work'

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Post by Mashimo »

ryandrake wrote: post #108
Mashimo wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github? As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.

I don’t know why you would even really need hosted git or why you’d be affected by its downtime. Git is decentralized by design. One node going down should not stop development. You don’t need a “central hub” to keep working. I guess it’s all the other non-git stuff like issue tracking and other (unfortunately) centralized products on GitHub that causes disruption when they go down. Weird how GitHub built itself arou…

> I guess it’s all the other non-git stuff

Yes, you want to run automated builds, unit test, end to end test, UI tests, make it easy for testers to deploy specific versions / tags to internal server. Also kick off builds for iOS on mac computers. We use Teamcity for that.

Tracking of issues, feature and epics. Maybe also knowledge base / wiki. We use Jira.

And pull requests. Bitbucket.

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Post by mettamage »

sikozu wrote: post #9

With Ghostty being the latest project to leave GitHub, it does make me wonder who will leave next. I don't expect everybody and their nan to leave GitHub by next wednesday and spin up their own Forgejo server, but I do think GitHub should be worried that people are finally looking to move away from them.

I'm a bit out of the loop, why are people moving away from Github?
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