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Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by UncleMeat »

1234letshaveatw wrote: post #114
UncleMeat wrote: post #73

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AI creation kills cultural sharing. People who create AI music are largely not sharing it with others for any reason other than to create a revenue stream. They are also not consuming new AI music to be able to develop influences and synthesize new ideas. The system builds brick walls where there was once osmosis. How can art evolve under these conditions?

Why are some crafts more sacred than others?

I don't know what you mean by this. The same effect can be felt in other forms of art.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by QuercusMax »

chasd00 wrote: post #117
jasongrishkoff wrote: post #15

I've been working hard at this over at SubmitHub, developing a way to detect AI songs: https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker These days roughly 20% of the songs coming through our platform for promotion are AI-generated. Roughly 75% of them are honest and declare their AI usage - but another 25% try to hide it. Some of them are actually writing scripts to "clean" their audio so that it can bypass detection.

do you have any idea on what percentage of musicians use AI to create the song and then also create the sheet music so they can play it themselves? That seems like a decent workflow, use AI to get the song right, and then record yourself playing it with you're own creative tweaks. That's kind of how I do AI assisted coding.

I assume you're not a musician, because that sounds insane. If you're good enough to play at full speed from brand new sheet music, then you don't need the AI. Playing from sheet music isn't like typing.

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Post by oasisbob »

chasd00 wrote: post #117
jasongrishkoff wrote: post #15

I've been working hard at this over at SubmitHub, developing a way to detect AI songs: https://www.submithub.com/ai-song-checker These days roughly 20% of the songs coming through our platform for promotion are AI-generated. Roughly 75% of them are honest and declare their AI usage - but another 25% try to hide it. Some of them are actually writing scripts to "clean" their audio so that it can bypass detection.

do you have any idea on what percentage of musicians use AI to create the song and then also create the sheet music so they can play it themselves? That seems like a decent workflow, use AI to get the song right, and then record yourself playing it with you're own creative tweaks. That's kind of how I do AI assisted coding.

There are some composers who use a workflow like this - Suno is a scratchpad which can be used to quickly trial ideas, clarify concepts with collaborators, etc. don't think it's common, either among composers, or Suno users at large

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by QuercusMax »

sph wrote: post #88
twoodfin wrote: post #37

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Why? HN isn’t “curating” the wave of AI-written tech article slop. Unclear if they should, readers here love it! Hard to believe these models won’t get better and better at producing music that humans want to listen to.

The problem has never been that AI music doesn't sound good.

If you're already listening to bland generic pop country slop, then the AI version isn't much worse, but that's not a great thing to shoot for.

AI music I've heard universally sounds bland and robotic.

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by mrweasel »

advisedwang wrote: post #133

> 85% of these streams are detected as fraudulent and demonetized by the company This is the nut. This isn't actual AI generated music. It isn't intended to be real music that people listen and enjoy. It's just filler to populate tracks that pay out to scammers, so that scammers can direct bots and hijacked accounts to play their tracks and steal a share of the platform revenue.

Exactly, and that's the problem. The reasoning for creating the music is the problem, not that an artist wanted to use AI to generate something or experiment.

It's not even muzak at this point, at least that honest about what it is and why it exists. It's the music version of the automated AI videos on YouTube, which takes a Reddit posts, have an AI do a voice over and then run Subway Surfer in the background (Though I haven't seen one of them in months).

Re: Deezer says 44% of songs uploaded to its platform daily are AI-generated

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Post by tombert »

gedy wrote: post #160
mvdtnz wrote: post #156

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You are describing AI slop.

Not in my book, I know a lot of low/no effort attempts to spam "content creation" channels, no curation, etc that I'd call slop before this. I'm trying to use AI to generate something that did not/would not exist otherwise. It's admittedly probably better because it's using human-written lyrics for the covers (and memories?), but to be honest, 80s new wave lyrics can be pretty hokey. "Any AI = slop" is probably more…

I don't think what you're doing, or at least what you described, is inherently slop. If you're actively putting in effort to make something you think is cool and to make something you're actively proud of (or at least something that you genuinely want people to enjoy), I don't think that's "slop", or at least I don't think it's bad.

It's certainly different than those low-effort channels that mass upload hundreds of videos a day because they're able to automate the entire video-making process; those are completely soulless, again almost by definition. Those exist to just try and effectively skim revenue from adsense (or subscriber revenue in the case of Deezer), and making something that people will actually "enjoy" isn't the purpose.

Of course, this isn't a new problem; I remember a few years ago (before generative AI became viable for this stuff), there were "tutorials" on the best way to upload hours and hours of noise or silent music to Spotify to extract revenue, and of course let's not forget the infamous "Elsagate" stuff that plagued YouTube. AI has maybe accelerated the problem but it certainly wasn't the first thing to create "slop".

I'm hardly the first person to make this point, but AI is a tool. Tools can be good or bad; if AI is a tool that you can use to actively help you be more creative then I don't think that's bad. If you're just generating something to pad a resume or extract ad revenue, that's slop.

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Post by mtizim »

strangegecko wrote: post #119
TyrunDemeg101 wrote: post #102

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I 100% agree with this and have found it to entirely be my own drive for learning and creating. For me it is beyond trying to make money or become famous, it is simply to enjoy the journey and the creativity that comes with creating music.

> For me it is beyond trying to make money or become famous, To clarify, when I speak of "approval", I'm not imagining a successful career or financial success. It's much more basic, i.e. having a few people tell me they genuinely like something I created would do that. > it is simply to enjoy the journey and the creativity that comes with creating music. It's unfortunately not simple for me (again, context of long t…

If you're after that, try performing for (campfire guitar? Christmas carols?) or with (entry level jams, especially electronic ones) other people. Much easier to start out that one would think, but it requires a lot of self-confidence. With performing, you can scratch that creative itch by adapting/embellishing source material. A small lick here and there or a handful of alternative voicings are enough!

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Post by mcmcmc »

mschuster91 wrote: post #176
gos9 wrote: post #154

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> never leave your computer because everything might be hard

Our society has made many things too hard for the average person. Mostly for the sake of "efficiency".

Lmao compared to the past things are easier than ever. Can you imagine telling a farmer from 100 years ago that life is too hard? Society has made people accustomed to free stuff and cushy living. Life IS hard for the majority of us without significant wealth.

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Post by berdario »

101008 wrote: post #177
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #86

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You're not wasting your time, my friend. But you've got to be very certain and honest as to why you want to learn that. If your goal is being heard and appreciated, well, you better reconsider. If you're doing it for your own pleasure and pure love of art, absolutely do go on, without any expectations. It may or may not take off, but the samurai must not care.

Agree 100% with this and I also think the default mindset of "being heard and appreciated / make some money out of this" is very recent and only from the last (or two) decade(s). In the past learning a skill and do something was mostly for pleasure, and something that would stay in your inner circle of friends. Maybe one of your friends would tell his other group of friends but that would be it. Now internet gave us…

> "being heard and appreciated" ... is very recent and only from the last (or two) decade(s).

I think that in the past it was just a lot more difficult to *not* be heard or appreciated at all

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Post by user1847272 »

101008 wrote: post #177
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not wasting your time, my friend. But you've got to be very certain and honest as to why you want to learn that. If your goal is being heard and appreciated, well, you better reconsider. If you're doing it for your own pleasure and pure love of art, absolutely do go on, without any expectations. It may or may not take off, but the samurai must not care.

Agree 100% with this and I also think the default mindset of "being heard and appreciated / make some money out of this" is very recent and only from the last (or two) decade(s). In the past learning a skill and do something was mostly for pleasure, and something that would stay in your inner circle of friends. Maybe one of your friends would tell his other group of friends but that would be it. Now internet gave us…

> make some money out of this

The OP never said this. You and a few other commenters seem to think being heard == being an influencer that’s in it for the money.

> and something that would stay in your inner circle of friends. Maybe one of your friends would tell his other group of friends but that would be it.

That’s what being heard and appreciated is.

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