So new tariffs coming in, because it goes against the agreement.
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#182I wouldn't put all my eggs on a single billion dollar basket like that in 2025. A networked flock of million dollar drones with phased array radar could be cheaper, more effective, thanks to a larger virtual aperture, and far more survivable an overwatch resource. You could stagger refueling and have it available 24/7.
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Same here. I’m not scared of China either and am excited for them to take more responsibility on the international stage. Hopefully US warmongering will come to an end too.
Yes, I'm sure all the countries around China are really excited and looking forward to this. Oh, wait ... It's the same shit with the Baltic states and other former Soviet satellite states. They're terrified of Russia, but people in Germany or further West think it's all overblown propaganda and there's nothing to fear from Russia. You being ignorant doesn't mean there aren't real issues and real, justified fears.
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He would like to roll over to see Romania rejoin the new Russian empire. Click on username then comments and be amazed.
What's to be amazed about it? If I remember right you're from somewhere in the Low Countries, correct? Which means your country hasn't been part of a big land-war since the mid-1600s, give or take. As I mentioned in another comment, I don't want to see us, Romanians, fight the West's wars anymore (like we fought Germany's war in the 1940s), I don't want for my grand-kids to tell their kids how their grandad barely ma…
I've lived in Poland and in Romania as well, you know absolutely nothing about me but at least it's clear where you're coming from.
Major cities in 'my little country' have been bombed to little pieces during WWII, my family lived right next door to a particular bridge, maybe you've seen the movie.
All you will achieve is exactly the thing you are trying to avoid.
You're in Putin's pocket and you don't even know it. Guess who will end up fighting his wars for them? You, your grand children and so on. It's the proximity to Russia that is your problem, not the distance to the western part of Europe.
And I have never and will never make any excuses for what the Dutch have done in the past in their colonies and elsewhere, it is atrocious.
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This is a delusional position. > If anything, I’d rather actively choose Russia’s side on this against the West Based on your comment history, you have already done so. You've been carrying water for Russia on HN for the longest time. > at least Russia is the devil we know Apparently, you don't know. You think you know. Romania could be the Switzerland of Eastern Europe, but it is this mentality that stops that from…
> Based on your comment history, you have already done so. You've been carrying water for Russia on HN for the longest time. I'm talking physically, for better or for worse that is still not the case. I don't want to see Romanian men (which would include me) leaving their (our, in fact) bones on the Ukrainian steppe up to the Volga, once was enough. > Apparently, you don't know. You think you know. Romania could be t…
So, you're scared. And through being scared you empower your enemy. Well done.
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> The damage to our future world order I don't think "damage" is the right word, especially outside of the US. Changes aren't necessarily bad, and, as someone living in the EU, I actually like the current trend.
As an American, I am also gratified to see the EU take steps toward independence from US foreign policy. Independence doesn't mean enmity; it just means that the EU and US should both be adults in the room, reaching decisions on equal terms. If one takes a longer view of things, the period from WW2 to now is very much an anomaly reflecting relative European weakness in the aftermath of that war's physical and moral d…
> If one takes a longer view of things, the period from WW2 to now is very much an anomaly
WW2 was the anomaly- a conflict impacting all nations on earth, with Europe falling under a horrible regime
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I don't think that the sky is falling. However, I think that many in the US are underestimating the current paradigm shift. Right now, in Europe, leaders and voters need to take decisions while keeping in mind the possibility that the US will invade Canada and Greenland while not reacting if Russia movies to Estonia. Will it happen? Who the f*k knows? Donald Trump has made declarations very much in this direction. Al…
> Also, Donald Trump has broken a sufficiently large number of treaties Which?
Unless I'm mistaken, by imposing tariffs, Donald Trump has broken pretty much all trade treaties ever signed by the US.
Since these treaties covered more than tariffs (e.g. some of them were the same treaties that ensured recognition of copyrights across borders), I'm not sure of the whole scope of these events.
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I think GP means that Europe didn't intervene when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and, more generally, has done its best to limit rearmament until now. And we're going to pay for it by having a war against Russia that we might have avoided had we projected more strength. The precedent being France and UK that were so disgusted by war after WWI (and recall that France was the historical biggest warmonger among Western…
Actually, it is not quite the case: the most warmongering country in Europe was the UK since the 1600s (between 16 and 18 times depending on the criterias you use, a war declaration is way less a clear cut decision than you might think). They most often declared war to France, whereas during the same time, France declared war about 13 times (mostly to Spain, Prussia and Austria). There is no single source for those n…
Ah, interesting data points, thanks.
Still, let's not forget Napoleon :)
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#189> The decision follows the withdrawal of the U.S. from the joint AWACS replacement program in July 2024, which left the initiative without its strategic and financial foundation. Is this implying that USA was paying for it previously? It sounds like they're blaming "noise polution", but also that they're not getting the planes for free anymore?
They are complaining about the noise level of the existing E-3, which is based on the old Boeing 707 with old noisy low bypass turbofans. The new plane E-7 is based on a contemporary 737 so no more noisy than a regular commercial jetliner.
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How can you deem Europe as not dependable based on what mostly amounts to studying two European languages ? It's a continent of roughly 50 distinct nations, with almost as many languages and cultural distinctions, not to mention the huge political differences, even when in the same general ballpark, vastly overarching US political diversity (e.g. Danish Socialdemokratiet are something entirely else than the Swedish s…
I am referring to western Europe.