European Nations Decide Against Acquiring Boeing E-7 Awacs Aircraft

Post by linhns » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:22 PM UTC

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Yes, I'm sure all the countries around China are really excited and looking forward to this. Oh, wait ... It's the same shit with the Baltic states and other former Soviet satellite states. They're terrified of Russia, but people in Germany or further West think it's all overblown propaganda and there's nothing to fear from Russia. You being ignorant doesn't mean there aren't real issues and real, justified fears.

> It's the same shit with the Baltic states and other former Soviet satellite states. They're terrified of Russia, but people in Germany or further West think it's all overblown propaganda and there's nothing to fear from Russia. And that is why Germany is moving a whole Brigade to Lithuania? I think only Spain and Portugal are not appropriately concerned with the Russian threat.

Post by kakacik » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:26 PM UTC

pessimizer wrote: post #98

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That has more to do with their geography than their disgust no?

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Post by thewebguyd » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:28 PM UTC

lukan wrote: post #54

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> It is abundantly clear the USA is no longer a dependable ally An extreme and inaccurate statement. The US is still party to NATO Article 5, meaning the blood of our young people is pledged to be shed to defend, say, Estonia. That has not changed. What has changed is the US has become more realistic and up front about the limitations of its reduced military. It’s not healthy, for the US /or/ Europe, to indulge the i…

"An extreme and inaccurate statement. The US is still party to NATO Article 5, meaning the blood of our young people is pledged to be shed to defend, say, Estonia. That has not changed" What changed is the US President saying things like, he will encourage Putin to invade countries not spending so much on military. What also changed is the US President threatening members of the EU militarily over greenland for examp…

Post by hollerith » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:29 PM UTC

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I think GP means that Europe didn't intervene when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and, more generally, has done its best to limit rearmament until now. And we're going to pay for it by having a war against Russia that we might have avoided had we projected more strength. The precedent being France and UK that were so disgusted by war after WWI (and recall that France was the historical biggest warmonger among Western…

Actually, it is not quite the case: the most warmongering country in Europe was the UK since the 1600s (between 16 and 18 times depending on the criterias you use, a war declaration is way less a clear cut decision than you might think). They most often declared war to France, whereas during the same time, France declared war about 13 times (mostly to Spain, Prussia and Austria). There is no single source for those n…

Post by saubeidl » Thu, Nov 13, 2025, 5:29 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #106

saubeidl wrote: post #91

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China might be a threat to the US, but I don't see it being a threat to Europe. The fact that Americans are abandoning us in our struggle with Russia in order to pick a fight with China makes it hard to see them as reliable allies.

Well maybe European countries should have considered that before spending the last 3 decades shrinking the size of their military. Germany's military chief was ringing the alarm bells in 2023 about their inability to defend their own borders, and that was before Trump came back to power. This is the wealthiest country in Europe. Germany's GDP is twice that of Russia. EU GDP is 8.5 times larger than Russia. Yet even i…