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Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

A Fair percentage is whatever the market decides, not Apple. That is why they are monopoly

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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apparently people will make this same comment every single time whether it's a $2M fine or a $2B fine

Yeah dipstick. C-suits quite literally sit around and discuss if it is worth breaking the law or not based on how much they will make vs the anemic penalties. Its a HUGE societal problem that apparently you don't understand.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Sideloading, AKA "installing software on your device", is something PCs have been handling just fine for decades. It's fine to warn the user when they're going off the beaten trail, but do not lock them in a cage to prevent them from doing so. If they ignore the warnings and get scammed because they are unable to identify reputable software from disreputable software, they learn a life lesson. Life goes on. There sho…

There are entire classes of people who have simply given up on PCs and only use a phone, so I would call that substantial evidence that PCs have NOT "been handling [it] just fine." For these folks, PCs are a total failure; a dead end. A danger zone to be avoided at all costs.

Appstore has been the only app store on IOS for nearly 2 decades. And you are saying IOS has been a perfect safe zone, and you cannot lose any hard-earn money on IOS for 2 decades? What a joke.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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post #11

Honest question, what do people think is a fair percentage? The platform development, app hosting, payment processing, and quality control is surely worth something .

In the EU Apple is now charging ~12% just to be in the App Store or 20% for additional discoverability. Payment processing is on top of that. These fees seem somewhat fair to me.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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Being on the side of the consumer means being on the side of the free market. If you don’t like the charging options of an iPhone, don’t buy an iPhone. If you don’t like the OS of a Pixel, don’t buy a Pixel. If the consumer is choosy and doesn’t like the options available then there is a market opportunity for new entrants.

> Being on the side of the consumer means being on the side of the free market. An unregulated market leads to monopoly and anti-competitive practices. Capitalism is one of the best models we've discovered, but its markets must be appropriately regulated. Capitalism should be difficult. An eternal treadmill. You shouldn't be able to wedge yourself into a market as a quarter-century long hegemon. You shouldn't be able…

I’m not convinced the solution to anything is government picking winners, nor telling other people what they, the government themselves, are going to do with their, the people / companies, money.

And how to I get support for the products I just bought when your government regulators terminate the existing of the product developer / manufacturer.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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WebView wrappers don't have any more ability to siphon data out of the phone than any other app. Scammers can always scam users if they can trick them into entering data into a website. There's nothing anyone can do about that (besides blocking web access).

The point is Apple isn't really helping with the problem because the weakest link is people. If you can get someone to install malicious software how much more difficult is it to have them willingly give it via phishing?

I don’t see how going back to the Wild West of the PC era is supposed to help these nontechnical users be safer. The App Store isn’t perfect but it’s far, far safer than that.

I have vivid memories of loads of relatives in the Windows XP era with browsers laden with toolbars that spy on everything they do and slow the computer to a crawl. Those users see something like the iPhone as a massive breath of fresh air. Nothing you install on the App Store can inject adware into the rest of the operating system like that.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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As soon as you open the door to side-loading, you'll have scammers and data-siphoners force all their users to side-load so that they can completely bypass Apple's privacy controls and security features. The entire iOS ecosystem is built on the App Store review process as a gatekeeper for entitlements and the capabilities they grant (through API access). How do you solve that problem for side-loaded apps?

My precise location data and credit card transactions are freely available on the market. Just by companies listed on the stock market who got that data "legally" in our current walled and "safe" garden. I appreciate a lockdown for kids and elders, but let's not pretend our data is locked safely away in this walled garden.

Credit card and location data is one thing. If we opened up these devices to the Wild West we’d have spyware that tracks every single thing you do on the phone in real time (and logs all your conversations and everything else). We’d also have malware that gets root access to the phone and breaks into your bank accounts.

It would be a total disaster!

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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TLDR: they made it up.

What else would you expect? It’s from a tribunal. They make judgements.

Judgment can be grounded in reality or it can be picking a random subrange of a list of somewhat random ranges and then picking a midpoint because why not.

Re: Apple loses UK App Store monopoly case, penalty might near $2B

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What else would you expect? It’s from a tribunal. They make judgements.

Judgment can be grounded in reality or it can be picking a random subrange of a list of somewhat random ranges and then picking a midpoint because why not.

What would you expect them to do in this case in particular?
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