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Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by themadturk »

GlitchRider47 wrote: post #130
kwanbix wrote: post #128

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but without syncing is basically unusable, or can I access my texts from my pc and my cell for example?

I wouldn't say it is unusable lol. Many people don't need to sync. My work notes for example stay on my work computer. For those that want to sync without paying, many use syncthing, though I don't think this is a feasible workaround for iOS users. There are some other syncing methods that I haven't really looked into.

Seconding this. I use Obsidian and Obsidian Sync for personal stuff, but my employer doesn't allow Sync, so I use Obsidian very happily as a standalone on my work computer. The work vault simply never gets exposed to the outside world (we don't allow USB memory devices either).

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Post by themadturk »

dimal wrote: post #81
tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

Personally, I use Obsidian. But I can’t imagine using it with a team. There’s too much friction sorting out what extensions to use, making sure everyone knows how to use said extensions. I don’t see how Obsidian is feasible for teams. If anyone has experience making it work well for their team, I’d love to hear about it.

I know a team at my work is using it, though I'm fuzzy on how. I think they have a shared OneDrive folder that they use as a vault. How they deal with locking and such I haven't a clue.

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Post by atombender »

themadturk wrote: post #180
atombender wrote: post #124

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For me, a lot of it is that the "plumbing on the outside" approach of Markdown isn't nice. I don't understand why anyone thinks that seeing and editing format codes all over the place is good UX in 2025. Maybe Obsidian appeals to a particular type of techie who uses Vim and stores all their files locally, compared to someone who isn't technical and just wants "documents in the cloud". I should add that I dislike Noti…

> I don't understand why anyone thinks that seeing and editing format codes all over the place is good UX in 2025. For the same reason they liked it in the UX of 1985 and 1995...because Markdown gives you the ability to actually see the format codes that create your formatting and fix them if they're not what you want. Now Obsidian (or any other Markdown editor) certainly isn't WordPerfect, but the one thing that die…

The reason I don't buy into this is that it shouldn't be necessary: If I've marked a word as bold, I can see it without format codes. The rendering is the desired outcome. In modern documents there's no kind of magical markup that somehow cannot be visualized "canonically". Format codes are less efficient as a representation because they obscure the "real" representation.

By analogy, to me it's like people preferring to draw by writing SVG, when drawing lines and circles is much more natural in a visual medium. Its not like sheet music where notation describes a completely different medium.

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Post by petralithic »

wltr wrote: post #159
petralithic wrote: post #153

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> deliver something you promised to deliver (not necessarily promised to others), you may want to use a set of self-hosted tools. I don't see how one follows from the other, the vast majority of people use tools to deliver value without really caring whether they're self hosted or not

You missed ‘I guess’ in the quote, but anyway. The idea is that the parent commenter said about the intent to sell the company, and I’ve got the impression it’s a day-one intention. Like, we’re building a company to sell it. So if I’m planning to do the opposite, deliver some actual value and ideally never sell it, what should I do then? Is it self-hosting then? That’s why I’m saying ‘I guess.’ It’s an open question.

But I don't know why you'd guess such a thing. People have companies that they deliver value with and do not have an intention to sell yet nevertheless they don't use self hosted tools (in fact, doing so might a net negative as their time is valuable). So I simply don't get where this non sequitur came from. And like the other commenter said, you have an implicit assumption that those who want to sell a company haven't delivered value, well, what is the acquiring company paying for then if not value?

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Post by jrm4 »

digdugdirk wrote: post #152
jrm4 wrote: post #139

While we're here; as a long time zim-wiki user, and as someone who dabbled in org-mode for a year; Obsidian never felt compelling enough to switch. For me, this year, Logseq did. The killer concept for me is that it does org-mode hierarchy and outline collapsing, but easier; being able to "zero in" on a block, regardless of whether its its own page is excellent.

I don't quite understand what you mean by that, but you seem pretty amped about it - do you have any recommended getting started guides for logseq? I've never heard of it before, and I'm curious about the feature you described.

It's very odd, I was looking around and none of the guides really clearly explain it, but basically, there are "Pages" (files) and "Blocks." Every page is itself a "Block," but may also contain multiple more blocks as an outline hierarchy. But what logseq seems to do differently is to let you zero in on a single block so that the block is all you see, despite ACTUALLY being merely part of a page.

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Post by roomey »

rafram wrote: post #68
roomey wrote: post #52

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Zim wiki is brilliant. I've been using it for years. It's very extendable

> Zim handles several types of markup, like headings, bullet lists and of course bold, italic and highlighted. OK, I think this may be a bit less powerful than Notion and Obsidian.

A good bit less powerful yes. But the simplicity is a huge strength when it comes to long term tech. I started using it in 2012 I believe.

The most important thing in any note taking app is to use it consistently and use it for years. And bring it with you as you change jobs.

Sometimes simple things that work in plain text files that can be exported and imported easily is what you need for long term note taking.

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Post by pityJuke »

kid64 wrote: post #178
pityJuke wrote: post #162

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> Since the product isn't usable without community extensions Love when people just spout straight bullshit without any substance to it. Gladly using Obsidian with no community extensions. It is completely usable as a PKM without any additions.

You're defending your own low standards with respect to software usability. That's fine, but not overly relevant.

“low standards”

Again, love when people spout bullshit.

Are you ever going to elaborate on what is so “low standard” about Obsidian, or just going to keep speaking in vagueness?

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Post by mmargenot »

richardlblair wrote: post #113
tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

Notion for my team, Obsidian for myself. We do everything in Notion. Book time off, HR policies, run books, playbooks, knowledge dumps, project management, sprint management. Search is a lot better so it really opens up the use cases. Imo, if you're building a company with the goal of selling it you should use Notion. Get your team to use it, and capture everything about your business. When you go to sell it you have…

What has your experience been in recovering information from Notion? Is the search getting you what you need?

Re: Notion releases offline mode

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Post by heihieih »

tequila_shot wrote: post #2

I guess for a lot of users like myself using Notion ship has sailed. Most of them have moved to Obsidian, with the new database feature of Obsidian, and it being free, I do not see why users would choose Notion over Obsidian.

I have switched to Obsidian and have not used Notion for a long time.
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