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Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by zsmizzle »

nixosbestos wrote: post #95
llm_nerd wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume they believe in the advantages, to the company, of using these AI tools. Of adding them to the workflow, training their employees, and understanding quickly how it impacts their space. If you just wait and all of your competitors have a workforce enabled and equipped with the best tools, you are at a disadvantage. It's being the company that put off computerization or automation when everyone else went wild.…

ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9. I'm in no hurry.

9.11 > 9.9 is true for software version numbers. For floating point numbers that is false.

ChatGPT 4o gets both of these cases correct for me.

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Post by e1g »

vezycash wrote: post #150
nixosbestos wrote: post #95

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ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9. I'm in no hurry.

> ChatGPT thinks 9.11 > 9.9 I've confirmed this asked chatgpt: 9.11 > 9.9 true or false? True because .11 is greater than .9

o1 gets this correct.

Re: Most iPhone owners see little to no value in Apple Intelligence so far

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Post by teratron27 »

can16358p wrote: post #11

Notification and mail summaries definitely nice to have, thought I can live without that. What I'd really love to have is Siri superpowered with contextual natural language capabilities and multi-commands in a natural sentence. It _is_ getting there: Siri is better than it used to be and has somewhat of a contextual knowledge so far (compared to zero, before the update) but it's not there yet. It sometimes fails mise…

The notification summaries are OK most of the time and down right bad the rest! I'm currently working my notice period and a coworker messaged to say they where sad I was leaving the company and enjoyed working with me etc. Apple Intelligence decided the best summary of this message notification was: "News of [Me] passing received, expresses well wishes"

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Post by Bluecobra »

mey wrote: post #163
brookst wrote: post #127

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> any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing Couldn’t be further from my experience. I work with a distributed team that has four different native languages, with substantial engineering staff for each. LLMs have made our cross-geo communications so much better. I can get a summary of a standup that happened overnight (to me) and in a foreign language (to me…

How accurate are the summaries?

I turned on Apple Intelligence to summarize notifications from Outlook, Teams, etc. I haven't found it to be very accurate yet, especially for MS Teams.

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

gilleain wrote: post #170
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

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> And FWIW, I cannot imagine a programmer, in 2024, that remains dismissive of LLMs or the related tooling. Hi. > While they are grossly oversold by the LinkedIn crowd, That is true. > and are still a far ways from so-called "prompt engineers" replacing devs, Also true. > they're a massive accelerator and "second set of eyes", especially if you're doing varied, novel work. That is not even remotely my experience. Lik…

It's interesting that there is this division between programmers who claim LLMs are super helpful, and those saying they are useless. While it's certainly possible that this divide is based on how 'hard' the problems people are using them on, my current theory is that some people use them like the proverbial rubber duck - in other words, a way to explore the code, and generate some stuff to work on, while thinking th…

Some people seem to be taking me saying "you must work on boring code" as a judgement against them as developers, and it isn't. I'm speaking directly from my experience: If I asked it beginner-tier questions about how to do X in Y language, it would get those right quite often. I could see Copilot being very useful if you're breaking into a new language, or just knocking the rust off the gears of one in your head.

And like, even for those who write a lot of boring code, like... cool man. I don't judge people for that. We need all code written and all code is not exciting, novel, or interesting and there's nothing wrong with doing it. Someone's gotta.

I'm just saying that the further up the proverbial complexity chain I went, the less able Copilot was. And once I was quite in the weeds, it seemed utterly perplexed and frankly, not worth the time in asking.

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Post by dpweb »

everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

Maybe because nobody really asked for these things gemoji and "rewrite my email".

Neural nets are a foundational technology there should be a ecosystem of apps based on it. People pay 1500$ for an iphone because it has apps, not to call and text people. I think its coming and Apple can't just NOT do AI, so I get it, but it will take a little time.

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Post by bunderbunder »

mey wrote: post #163
brookst wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing Couldn’t be further from my experience. I work with a distributed team that has four different native languages, with substantial engineering staff for each. LLMs have made our cross-geo communications so much better. I can get a summary of a standup that happened overnight (to me) and in a foreign language (to me…

How accurate are the summaries?

This is what worries me. I'd say that >50% of the time, Copilot-generated summaries of meetings in which I was presenting misinterpret what I said in some important way.

I'd much rather (and do) take a couple minutes to write my own take-aways. It's the golden rule in a business context: I'd prefer to receive three one-sentence bullet points that are actually accurate over a couple pages of AI slop, so that's what I give to my colleagues.

The cross-language factor is an interesting angle I haven't had to contend with, though.

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Post by LordGrey »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #66
_heimdall wrote: post #19

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> We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work Unless you work at Microsoft, that's really interesting to me. Can't say I've ever experienced a boss pushing for me to use a certain developer tool.

It's pretty common in large orgs, I think. Someone gets sold on or just excited about the features claimed by a particular product and becomes the czar for that thing. They want to make the transition to that product successful for their own career reasons. If people aren't using it, then the purchase was a bad move, so people start getting pressured to use the product regardless of how useful it is. Year ago, my com…

I'm in a large org where Copilot is pushed. What I've heard from upper management is that even a very small average productivity gain, multiplied by the number of developers we have, means that we have "saved" x number of man-hours per year. Man-hours can be translated into "number of employees", so if the Copilot license comes in under that employee salary total, it is a win.

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Post by mukunda_johnson »

brookst wrote: post #127
everdrive wrote: post #4

This is emblematic of the LLM race in general. We’re actively pressured to use co-pilot at work, and it’s crammed into every Microsoft product. I’m thankful that my iPhone is old enough not to use LLMs. Companies are afraid of being left behind in the new arms race, but that doesn’t actually mean that the technology actually present use-cases which most people need. (Worse are the meeting summaries or emails which ar…

> any sort of LLM writing is a tacit acknowledgement that people don’t really care what they are writing Couldn’t be further from my experience. I work with a distributed team that has four different native languages, with substantial engineering staff for each. LLMs have made our cross-geo communications so much better. I can get a summary of a standup that happened overnight (to me) and in a foreign language (to me…

I like that--generally I agree that LLMs inflating text is not adding value, but it is a great point that LLMs can help bridge language barriers.
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