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Additionally the closest cave containing any viruses resembling SARS-Cov-2 are 1500 km away from Wuhan.
And when journalists tried to access those caves, the road was suddenly closed.
Someone really really didn't want anyone near those mines.
have they issued any statements?
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> Just that this particular lab is known for being extremely safe, and that it's therefore unlikely it would have had a leak. This is nothing but disinformation. > Two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S. Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was…
Beyond that, the original SARS escaped at least once from a BSL-4 lab in Taiwan: > The scientist had been working on a SARS study in Taiwan's only biosafety level 4 lab since June, the Taiwan statement said. [...] A chest x-ray showed pneumonia in his right lung, and polymerase chain reaction tests of throat and blood samples were positive for the SARS virus. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/12/taiwan…
Beyond that, the original SARS escaped at least once from a BSL-4 lab in Taiwan:
> The scientist had been working on a SARS study in Taiwan's only biosafety level 4 lab since June, the Taiwan statement said. [...] A chest x-ray showed pneumonia in his right lung, and polymerase chain reaction tests of throat and blood samples were positive for the SARS virus.
Many viruses have come to infect people in BSL4 labs, when they happen to be run incompetently.
From the exact same article you cite :
> The AP report quoted Dr. Shigeru Omi, the WHO's Western Pacific regional director, as saying the patient most likely was infected by some spilled liquid he saw on the surface of a test tube. Omi said the man was working without protective gear, such as a gown and gloves, at the time, according to the report.
Which, again, does nothing to oppose the thesis in the original post, which is that these viruses won't escape a BSL4 lab that's actually operating competently at the BSL4 level.
> The idea that "BSL-4" implies "negligible risk of accident" seems to be empirically false. In any case, the WIV was creating chimeras of novel coronaviruses with much looser precautions, at BSL-2:
That was also explicitely addressed. In 2013, the WIV was not a BSL4 lab.
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Several top virologists have publicly tarred lab leak as racist conspiracy theory, while privately discussed that not only it is a possibility, some of them believed it's highly probable. Here's a very recent email that has been released yesterday [1]. So forgive me for not taking another virologist's take on why lab leak is improbable on redit seriously. [1] https://twitter.com/TheSeeker268/status/148093069191961805…
So now a single passage out of context that accounts for 4 out of 1000 differing nucleotides is proof positive that the author's mind was absolutely settled that it was a lab leak? Give me a break.
> while privately discussed that not only it is a possibility, some of them believed it's *highly probable*.
This is what you have written:
> proof positive that the author's mind was *absolutely settled* that it was a lab leak
Judge for yourself. I am not going to respond to any of your comment on this thread. Peace.
Imagine if this thing had leaked out of Iran, Israel, or Russia with hardish proof. We’d potentially be looking at world war right now.
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Facts are facts. The fact is in 2019 there were 39,397 wet markets in China. How many virology labs were there in China handling Corona-viruses? TWO. One of which was TWO BLOCKS from where the wet market from where the original Covid-19 virus which started the pandemic has been traced to. One might be forgiven for being curious as to the likelihood of the virus emerging from this particular wet market as opposed to a…
> One of which was TWO BLOCKS from where the wet market from where the original Covid-19 virus which started the pandemic has been traced to TWO BLOCKS? Or a 40min drive? This is why the lab leak theory feels conspiracy-adjacent. Too much exaggeration. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/D961/production/... > The institute is a 40-minute drive from the Huanan wet market where the first cluster of infections e…
Which then discredits their own position -- even if the conspiracy actually happened -- because it didn't happen the way they claim it did.
There is a conspiracy theory that this method is used by conspirators to effect a coverup by discrediting skeptics of the official narrative.
From this new leak of documents, DARPA’s rejection of the NIH proposal (https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/5OjsrkkXHfuHps6Lek...) specifically calls out that the proposed NIH research seems to be Gain of Function but the proposal doesn’t admit it (DARPA is effectively accusing the NIH of falsely describing their research). This is exactly what Professor Ebright previously accused NIH and NIAID of, which is systematically avoiding the frameworks meant to prevent dangerous GoF research (https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/26/how-anthony-fauci-sy...). And it is also what Senator Rand Paul, among others, accused Dr Fauci of in past senate hearings.
So much data drops and narrative shifts taking place re:covid data. Allegedly those [1] project defuse documents submitted to darpa we're legit. How they gonna wiggle out of that if so? Brace for house of cards collapse. [1] https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about...