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Or workplace deaths, 10:1, or suicides 3.5:1 or higher.
Women attempt suicide two to four times more often than men. (However, men tend to use more violent, and effective, methods of suicide, so succeed more frequently than women.)
I took a quick look at the comments on this article and I find it fascinating that almost every commenter accepts the study's conclusions at face value. Having been a HN reader for several years, I know how incredibly rare that is! The top voted comment is always something like "Correlation is not causation", "Yeah, but did the authors consider ?", or something about how the methods does not allow one to draw very fa…
> However! In this discussion, no one has yet offered the hypothesis that the purported discrimination against men could be explained by men being objectively less suitable to work in female-dominated professions than women. Perhaps men have less "emotional iq" than women or something? Well, I'll bite. If you really want to go down this road we could also start talking about how women being given time off specificall…
I don't follow your logic. If someone takes, let's say an entire year off for menopause, but they live 5+ years longer, don't they have better working potential?
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I don't know about stealing but is it not the case that most sex offenders are men? That seems like an actual risk wherase the accusations at play in racism are just made up.
> I don't know about stealing but is it not the case that most sex offenders are men? That seems like an actual risk wherase the accusations at play in racism are just made up. This conclusion seems to be quite controversial, because race is correlated with certain crimes in terms of "actual risk". It's likely because of social factors (because eg. black immigrants to US aren't significantly more likely to commit cri…
Males, in the other hand, exist across countries, races, creeds, cultures, social and economic classes etc. We can absolutely look at male crime statistics across the board and say whether or not they're different from the statistics for females.
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I don't know about stealing but is it not the case that most sex offenders are men? That seems like an actual risk wherase the accusations at play in racism are just made up.
> I don't know about stealing but is it not the case that most sex offenders are men? That seems like an actual risk wherase the accusations at play in racism are just made up. This conclusion seems to be quite controversial, because race is correlated with certain crimes in terms of "actual risk". It's likely because of social factors (because eg. black immigrants to US aren't significantly more likely to commit cri…
> Personally I would argue that both race-crime and gender-crime statistics are largely or completely due to social factors.
I think this is probably right too, but which social factors are you thinking about when it comes to sex offenses?
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That sounds like pretty standard out-group stigmatization that you also hear applied to immigrants, people of color etc...
I don't know about stealing but is it not the case that most sex offenders are men? That seems like an actual risk wherase the accusations at play in racism are just made up.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-unde...
What little is known hints that female predators may be just as prominent as male predators, but people just don't believe victims who claim female abusers.
This all ties into the pervasive myths about how women are always passive, are generally good because they are women, have no sexual desire, etc.
These were the positions for which men were most discriminated against: - Men were half as likely as women to get a response when applying for a child care position (25.7% of men vs. 52.8% of women) - Men were half as likely as women to get a response when applying for a cleaner position (12.1% men vs. 27.8% women) Link to study: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
The first one I get. People distrust the combination of men and children. For whatever reason. The second one I don't get?
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The researchers sent out identical resumes for job applications. If the general stereotype “men have less emotional iq” is the argument, it is actually discrimination based on gender stereotypes. You didn’t offer any valid methodological rebuttal to the study.
> You didn’t offer any valid methodological rebuttal to the study. On most studies regarding discrimination, HN readers clamor to rebut the methodology. That isn't happening here. Is the study bombproof, or is it possible that confirmation bias is at play?
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Or workplace deaths, 10:1, or suicides 3.5:1 or higher.
Women attempt suicide two to four times more often than men. (However, men tend to use more violent, and effective, methods of suicide, so succeed more frequently than women.)
The less sexist explanation is that women generally use suicide attempts as a way of asking for help while men generally use suicide attempts as a way of escape.
Stated in those terms, both groups are very competent at achieving the end goal.
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I've not been able to wrap my head around this issue. What is the thinking behind the desire to even sex ratios in various profession? Why are some professions receiving more attention than others when it comes to evening sex ratios. Is a perfect world when every construction site, hospital, and dreary programming job (lets be honest most of them aren't fun) has an even mix of the sexes? What is the benefit? Can some…
>Can someone explain this in logical, non-political, terms. Probably not, because it's ultimately a political phenomenon. In left-leaning circles it's popular to deny that there can be significant statistical differences between demographics for any reason other than discrimination. Based on that logic they view all unequal gender ratios as problems that need to be solved.
I would rephrase it as "it's popular to deny that there's an underlying preference at play when jobs which used to be female dominated, like programming, became male dominated shortly after they became lucrative."
Bringing it back to the subject of the article, this entire discussion is really about tribalism. Humans tend to look favorably on their group and askance at other groups. Where people get into trouble with this is assuming you know from the outside what groups someone thinks they belong to (e.g. do you see yourself as a man who happens to be a programmer or a programmer who happens to be a man).
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I see this hot take way too often and I take it that you didn't read any of your sources to see if they actually supported your claim. Because: [1] Yes, Wikipedia confirms that affirmative action is a thing societies across the world engage in it to try to have a representative cross section of the population engaged in critical aspects of society. And yes, in America since the practice became enshrined in law that m…
Well, I'm gonna let the personal attack part pass. Here's what I think about your points: [1] So we agree that the practice exists, though we may disagree on whether it's moral or not. [2] You are right in that it is in part cultural, but the effect of affirmative action also exists. (I think you would agree, otherwise, why not dismantle it and avoid the resentment that it brings about?) Also, culture is not autogeno…
Yes, I believe that affirmative action is not only moral, but also necessary for optimal functioning of modern democracy with many disparate cultures under it's governance. Do you think we would be better off with maintaining the status quo from the 50's?
I can see how affirmative action can breed resentment, I myself was resentful while getting my engineering degree to seeing the high rate of female students getting internships when I never was able to get one. It really sucks when you are working hard towards a goal and see someone else pass you up just because of circumstance (not all of which are as pure as affirmative action, such as students coming from a wealthy well-connected family, or organized cheating cough fraternities cough to get good grades). But maybe it would be better if we directed our anger towards those that are getting ahead by cheating, rather than those that are getting ahead due to society deciding that they need a boost because they come from a place in society that has been traditionally discriminated against?