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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by samatman »

curryst wrote: post #57
martimarkov wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you share that analogy? I take Benzodiazepam from time to time but never more than once every 3-4 months. Keen to learn a bit more. :)

Not OP, but benzo's can be problematic because they can exacerbate the condition they're meant to treat. I.e. they are often prescribed for anxiety, but one of the symptoms of benzo withdrawal is heightened anxiety. It creates a feedback loop where the medication builds an addiction, and the only way out of that addiction is to suffer a worse version of the symptoms you were trying to self-medicate away in the first…

Sorry to report this, but stimulant withdrawal absolutely exacerbates the symptoms of ADHD.

Not so much with amphetamine (which is weakly reinforcing at recommended doses), but for nicotine, I know ADHD folks who have straight quit for a couple months, then go back because their life has become a complete shambles and it doesn't seem to be getting better.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by seph-reed »

macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

I get schizophrenia from smoking pot. But I also know people who get it who've never been pot heads.

Something about THC is at the center of this. And also something about age.

I used to be able to smoke as much as I wanted and just enjoy it, then one day it started making me crazy.. and I kept smoking for a few years and truly lost my mind.

I've heard this story countless times... something (usually around age 20) just snaps, and suddenly THC == paranoia.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by antihero »

tomphoolery wrote: post #107
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

To me it's about as strong as the correlation between schizophrenia and _any_ use of psychedelics. THC's effects have more in common with a psychedelic than they do an analgesic or stimulant. It's not a body drug, even if it sometimes makes you feel that way. If we legalized psilocybin nationwide, I would bet money that these kinds of studies would show "correlations" in schizophrenia use among those who have taken m…

I've always found that psychedelics are a far far different experience than THC, do you have anything to back this up other than "they both make you sorta hallucinate"?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by self_buddliea »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

Reading this article made me recall an incident back in art college. A mature student asked if I smoked cannabis, I said I do. There was another mature student in the room with us. Upon hearing my confession she stared at me with a very serious expression, then lunged forward at me and pushed her face into mine. I was so taken aback I nearly fell off my chair. I had never met this woman before, we were never introduced and I haven't seen her since.

I would argue this woman was sufficiently arrogant that she thought it was socially acceptable to invade my personal space because I was a stoner. Perhaps I myself was more arrogant when I was younger, in the spirit that user warent mentioned below. On the other hand, I'm not the type to spontaneously invade the space of others.

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Post by jayrice257 »

01100011 wrote: post #139
lrdswrk00 wrote: post #111

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Daily toker and edible eater; I’m high now. Hit the bong and a cartridge multiple times. I’ve also successfully upgraded large chunks of my employers infra code; tests green, deploys green. It’s no different than coffee to me at this point; I figured out working with those jitters and anxiety. I even saw shimmering with caffeine I’ve never seen on THC. I’m pretty sure a whole lot of the behavior is just subculture st…

Sort of sounds like me a decade ago. If you find yourself still doing the same job in a decade, I think you'll know why. Tech jobs are very compatible with weed. The sort of tactical, short term thinking you need to apply current knowledge to problems works well. It's great for crafting clever, short-term solutions and hacking your way through things. If that's all you ever want to be, smoke weed everyday man, why no…

Wow your attitude sounds as ill informed and short sighted as you think "weed smoking jobs" are as if that's a thing or any of this post is more than some subjective drivel. Grow up and get over yourself you loser

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Post by samatman »

jborichevskiy wrote: post #144
eurasiantiger wrote: post #39

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And that is why engineers created the vaporizer.

Eh, there's also popcorn lung to worry about. Think the research is still out on this one.

Popcorn lung is called that because of a specific adulterant which is no longer used in nicotine vapes, and was never prevalent in cannabis vapes.

There is also the risk of getting an illegal cannabis cartridge tainted with Vitamin E, which can be avoided completely if one is lucky enough to live under a medicinal or recreational regime.

It can't be said that vaping is completely harmless, but it's safe to say that responsible blends are orders of magnitude less harmful than inhaling smoke.

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Post by anxiousanon »

handrous wrote: post #155
runawaybottle wrote: post #95

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I suffer from chronic anxiety and the tales of weed just relaxing you sounded like a magic pill. It was one of the most intense anxiety inducing experiences I’ve ever had. Very unfortunate, but some people seem to manage it well. If you can barely manage anxiety on your own, weed is is a force multiplier for your fears. However, I’d be willing to try again in the future as it becomes more available in vape form and t…

> I suffer from chronic anxiety and the tales of weed just relaxing you sounded like a magic pill. It was one of the most intense anxiety inducing experiences I’ve ever had. Very unfortunate, but some people seem to manage it well. Low doses (5mg of edible or under, for me) have been amazing for my sleep and (very relatedly) anxiety. The effect of 10mg of same (yes, I know, that's lightweight amounts still) on an emp…

> The effect of 10mg of same (yes, I know, that's lightweight amounts still) on an empty stomach were... very different.

That's a really good point. I commented elsewhere in this thread, similar experience to you with small doses. I always make sure to take the stuff with food.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by jayrice257 »

throwaway803453 wrote: post #112
Ccecil wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a statement of my personal views. It is OK with me if you don't feel the same way. I do feel everyone is equal in value. Possibly equally worthless depending on how you view humanity's place in the overall universal timescale. Whenever you look at someone else and think they are being arrogant or self important...likely it is time to take a step back and think about why it is OK to think that they should not f…

That statement needs tuning then. It's doubtful you have a 529 for your neighbor's college fund or you are bankrupting yourself to pay someone else's medical bills. Did you buy a $2 coffee today ? $2 is what the average Venezuelan earns in a month. That quote is often associated with Bill Gates in the context of running a charity. In that case it has merit. But on a personal level it makes no sense, at least literall…

ROFL the guy says it's my personal view and your responses is WELL it needs adjustment then.

Grow up and learn that no, he doesn't need to change his perspective and no yours isn't more valid or correct

You actually sound like a sociopath who just wants to be right about something no one can even be right about. Have some humility and stfu it's an opinion

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

> It could very well be that marijuana puts you at higher risk of schizophrenia

More likely, marijuana use accelerates the development of schizophrenia among people already at risk.

> it could also be increases in the percentage of cases that actually get diagnosed, etc.

This is generally a valid stock response to these sorts of studies. But it strikes me as a bit unlikely that there was previously a large amount of undiagnosed schizophrenia.

(Unless we have broadened the definition recently).

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Post by mnowicki »

wutbrodo wrote: post #150
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

Yea, this is a very bizarre framing. I understand that researchers hypothesize that a Marijuana-driven causal link is possible, but theres a well-established, strong causal effect in the other direction that first needs to be controlled for. In that light, the statistic is framed very dishonestly in the article. (Though perhaps dishonesty isn't the correct word to use here: I don't have a high prior on the journalist…

I have literally seen an article before that said prodromal(pre/early onset) schizophrenia leads to Marijuana use, and I remember wondering at the time how they knew which way the causation went.

I'm also not sure if it's journalists wanting to push one narrative over the other, or just a lack of understanding.

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