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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by platinumrad »

jariel wrote: post #123
apexalpha wrote: post #55

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

"But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff." 20 years ago we were. Tibet was a little bit like BLM, all over Hollywood, in pop culture. The Dalai Lama was somewhat of a figure. Then China told Americans to 'shut their mouths' and they did. This is a tiny example of the tremendous power of that machine, it really cannot be ignored but I think we probably will. Edit: some notes [1] [2] [1] https:…

The US government has exerted influence and control over Hollywood and pop culture for decades but it's so pervasive that you've just taken it for granted. Now you're seeing a foreign government to the same, at a much smaller scale and to a much smaller degree and you're hysterically suggesting that your freedom is being taken away by "the tremendous power of that machine". How do you think the rest of the world feels about having American culture shoved down their throats via every conceivable medium?

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hollywood-cia-washingto... https://www.valuewalk.com/2014/08/hollywood-funding/

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by croes »

apatters wrote: post #141
croes wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US had no problem with dead 500,000 Iraqi Children, why should they care for a million uighurs? What if China says they will release them if we take them in? Then suddenly there wouldn't be any uighurs but only Muslims and we "know" they are all "terrorists".

This statement smelled fishy to me as there are only 40M or so people in Iraq to begin with, so I Googled around a bit. Despite politicians and talking heads claiming for years that either Desert Storm, UN sanctions, or both caused half a million child deaths, evidently most studies found that the child mortality rate in Iraq was unchanged throughout the 1990s. https://psmag.com/news/the-iraq-sanctions-myth-56433 htt…

Whether or not there really were so many dead children or not does not change anything in Albright's statement. If it serves the goals of the USA, they are willing to let 500.000 children die.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by mensetmanusman »

nate_meurer wrote: post #151
mensetmanusman wrote: post #115

It has been sad to learn about the U.S. fighting fires in CA with prison labor. It is sad for a number of reasons, but in situations like this it removes moral standing of the US to criticize others, because clearly there is little introspection happening. The US houses 25% of the world’s prison population, how much more law and order do we need? Why do our prisoners labor for our governments and companies? Is this f…

Prison work release programs in the US have no fucking resemblance to forced labor in chinese concentration camps. US prison work release programs are strictly voluntary, are paid (a pathetic pittance, but still paid), and prisoners can use the work experience to support applications for early parole. In many cases the work experience is valuable for gaining employment after parole. The natural result is that these p…

For those interested, hourly pay for prisoners in the US can legally be as low as $0.04. Three orders of magnitude away from citizen wages, i.e. a citizen working 3 days ~= 10 years prison labor.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2017/04/10/wages/

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by crucialfelix »

jariel wrote: post #168
dcolkitt wrote: post #164

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The one silver lining is that Bhutan remains free and independent and intensely preserves its traditional culture. Its language, religion, and culture aren't exactly Tibetan, but they're fairly contiguous. About roughly equal to the difference between Spain and Portugal.

India. At least some number of Tibetans could feasibly find refuge there.

There are many generations of tibetans in India. Even down south in Mysore there are large settlements and monasteries.

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Post by onepointsixC »

pc86 wrote: post #18
liminal wrote: post #10

Han supremacy has all the markings of other supremacist movements and will unfortunately need to be confronted. Not sure when the world will work up the courage to do so, though.

Not until China stops manufacturing everything, and I'm thinking by then it will be too late.

We're already seeing massive movement of manufacturing out of China. Samsung no longer builds smartphones in China, and even Apple has been moving some of its products to India and Taiwan. While it should have been done years ago when it was overtly obvious that China isn't going to liberalize, now is the second best time to do so.

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Post by DocTomoe »

mattnewton wrote: post #104
magicsmoke wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in an extreme twist of irony, the NYPD officer is ethnically Tibetan.

He probably had family they got to.

China has money. Let's never underestimate the greed of people when it comes to treason.

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Post by platinumrad »

rtx wrote: post #46
pc86 wrote: post #18

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Not until China stops manufacturing everything, and I'm thinking by then it will be too late.

Its not only that, they have many politicians on their books. Even western publications are warry about highlighting what's happening prominently. Today a NYPD officer was caught spying for them. https://abc7ny.com/nypd-spying-baimadajie-angwang-tibetan-of... (caution playing video)

>Its not only that, they have many politicians on their books.

Citation needed, please. A cop is not a politician.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by onepointsixC »

loceng wrote: post #128
onedognight wrote: post #124

A few days ago[0]: > New York City Police Department Officer Charged with Acting As an Illegal Agent of the People’s Republic of China > The Defendant Reported to Officials with the PRC Consulate About the Activities of Chinese Citizens in the New York Area and Assessed Potential Intelligence Sources for the PRC Within the Tibetan Community in New York and Elsewhere [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/new-york-city-po…

Relevant to their global ambitions: "Chinese database details 2.4 million influential people, their kids, addresses, and how to press their buttons" - https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/15/china_shenzhen_zhenhu...

Make no mistake, such a database exists fo tech workers, scientists, and other creators of valuable IP.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by arbitrary_name »

shrewduser wrote: post #143
coldtea wrote: post #120

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> From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. Yeah, kinda like Hawaii. (Not to mention Native Americans' lands, civilization, and culture). Or, well, Mexico. Sure, it's, "whataboutism". Which is an improvement on the our-shit-doesn't-smell-besides-that-was-back-a-while-ago-so-we-get-to-keep-it-now "Western perspective". Or…

Dude have you been to hawaii? their culture is very much in tact and proud. Not only that but locals have special rights and privileges over mainlanders not the reverse.

I've lived there and I can tell you that many Hawaiians are not appreciative of being colonized, nor should they be. Having their own flag and extra labor laws does not ameliorate the injustices and negative consequences of colonization.

Nor am I qualified to talk, I just want to point out that many of my Hawaiian friends would not in any way agree with your statement, and it is worth factoring that in to the broader discussion.

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Post by justicezyx »

shrewduser wrote: post #143
coldtea wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. Yeah, kinda like Hawaii. (Not to mention Native Americans' lands, civilization, and culture). Or, well, Mexico. Sure, it's, "whataboutism". Which is an improvement on the our-shit-doesn't-smell-besides-that-was-back-a-while-ago-so-we-get-to-keep-it-now "Western perspective". Or…

Dude have you been to hawaii? their culture is very much in tact and proud. Not only that but locals have special rights and privileges over mainlanders not the reverse.

CCP can give you millions of examples of "their culture is very much in tact and proud. Not only that but locals have special rights and privileges over mainlanders not the reverse."

Does that make this reported events legitimate?

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