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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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> A notice posted to the website of Tibet’s regional government website last month said over half a million people were trained as part of the project in the first seven months of 2020 - around 15% of the region’s population. Of this total, almost 50,000 have been transferred into jobs within Tibet, and several thousand have been sent to other parts of China. Many end up in low paid work, including textile manufactur…

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

we call out all our own flaws from the past and now reject colonialism

additionally, our country was founded by people escaping religious persecution

why are not right to call out others currently making our mistakes from the past?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#123

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

"But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff."

20 years ago we were. Tibet was a little bit like BLM, all over Hollywood, in pop culture. The Dalai Lama was somewhat of a figure.

Then China told Americans to 'shut their mouths' and they did.

This is a tiny example of the tremendous power of that machine, it really cannot be ignored but I think we probably will.

Edit: some notes [1] [2]

[1] https://psmag.com/news/what-ever-happened-to-hollywoods-free...

[2] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/cause-hollywood-forgot-f...

I'll put money that the next pres. will probably be Joe Biden and he will never say the word 'Tibet' publicly. And who's 'free'?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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A few days ago[0]:

> New York City Police Department Officer Charged with Acting As an Illegal Agent of the People’s Republic of China

> The Defendant Reported to Officials with the PRC Consulate About the Activities of Chinese Citizens in the New York Area and Assessed Potential Intelligence Sources for the PRC Within the Tibetan Community in New York and Elsewhere

[0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/new-york-city-police-departme...

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#125
That's why I'm so hopeless about Hong Kong, much worse than that has been happening for a LONG time in Tibet and Xinjiang and nothing has happened, slowly people will forget all of these things and all that is left will be a picture (see Tian'AnMen massacre).

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#126

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

> From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. Yeah, kinda like Hawaii. (Not to mention Native Americans' lands, civilization, and culture). Or, well, Mexico. Sure, it's, "whataboutism". Which is an improvement on the our-shit-doesn't-smell-besides-that-was-back-a-while-ago-so-we-get-to-keep-it-now "Western perspective". Or…

so if a reformed mob boss sees other mobsters extorting people, he cannot step in and stop them because he did the same thing in the past?

every culture has done horrible things in the past. does that mean no one should try to prevent modern crimes against humanity?

i really don't understand this kind of ethical reasoning, just sounds like pious excuses to sit on our hands

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#127

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

> From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. Yeah, kinda like Hawaii. (Not to mention Native Americans' lands, civilization, and culture). Or, well, Mexico. Sure, it's, "whataboutism". Which is an improvement on the our-shit-doesn't-smell-besides-that-was-back-a-while-ago-so-we-get-to-keep-it-now "Western perspective". Or…

Wait, are Hawaiians put into forced labour camps?

Can they own property? Businesses?

Vote?

Can the run for Congress, Senate, President?

Are they taught that they cannot have their heritage?

"whataboutism'.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#128

A few days ago[0]: > New York City Police Department Officer Charged with Acting As an Illegal Agent of the People’s Republic of China > The Defendant Reported to Officials with the PRC Consulate About the Activities of Chinese Citizens in the New York Area and Assessed Potential Intelligence Sources for the PRC Within the Tibetan Community in New York and Elsewhere [0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/new-york-city-po…

Relevant to their global ambitions:

"Chinese database details 2.4 million influential people, their kids, addresses, and how to press their buttons" - https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/15/china_shenzhen_zhenhu...

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#129
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Han supremacy? Laughably absurd. Just because some other cultures have a history of thinking they're better than everyone else doesn't mean that every culture does. Accounts of what China and the West thought of each other survive from the era of Marco Polo. The Chinese thought of Western Civilization with equality and respect. The West's opinion on the Chinese? Barbarians. Every country has its bigots, but suggestio…

This is some grade A+ projection over here. Han chauvinism was so bad that Mao Zedong drafted a party directive specifically to address it.

The phrase han supremacy itself is projection. It's super American to put things specifically in racial terms.

Mao was giving minority cultures exemptions from the 1-child policy, subsidies, and all sorts of other stuff at a time when we were running Jim Crow.

90%+ of Han Chinese only ever see other Chinese, they do have a sort of belief that their culture is the best culture on the planet and the center of the world but so does everyone else, especially Americans. We can't say a thing.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

#130

The whole Tibet situation is such a horrible one. From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. But we also can't say anything because China makes all our stuff. Plus, China isn't going to be impressed when the old Imperial continent with 140 ex-colonies and the current imperial top-dog with 800 foreign military bases are go…

> From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. Yeah, kinda like Hawaii. (Not to mention Native Americans' lands, civilization, and culture). Or, well, Mexico. Sure, it's, "whataboutism". Which is an improvement on the our-shit-doesn't-smell-besides-that-was-back-a-while-ago-so-we-get-to-keep-it-now "Western perspective". Or…

Judging the past on the standards of the present isn't a productive line of reasoning. Using past mistakes to rationalize further atrocities is beyond regressive.
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