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Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by nogridbag »

anonymoushn wrote: post #61
bufferoverflow wrote: post #26

I opened a couple of random ones. The first one was this link: https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1270402748895412224 Which isn't an example of police brutality. The second one was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsTkAOe5UTE Basically a bunch of thugs attack random drivers. One of the thugs jumps into a random car, the car stops, police come, pull the thug out, he resists, they deal with him. I have zero…

In your second link: At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving. When the SUV stops, Adam is mobbed by cops and beaten. The driver Bob (a victim of having a cop push someone into his window) is detained, his hands zip-tied. A bystander Charlie who doesn't seem to do anything is also zip-tied. At 1:43 a cop see…

> At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving.

This is the second time I've made a comment in defense of the police in a specific incident and if it's anything like last time I will be downvoted to oblivion.

Do you have any information to support your claim? (another video perhaps?) I think false claims only hurt those in support of police reform. I'm not suggesting that's your intent.

From the video in the parent post I don't understand how you reached your conclusion as I see something completely different. I see Adam attempting to enter one vehicle at 0:11 that drives off. Then he makes his second attempt with a different vehicle at 0:16 and clearly jumps into the window of an SUV. Stepping forward frame-by-frame it appears that the officer is pulling Adam's shirt[1] which would be the opposite of pushing him in. This is obviously just my opinion from that single video.

[1] https://imgur.com/a/CdEoDO9

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by Judgmentality »

throw7373 wrote: post #168
TeaDrunk wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

700 cases of police brutality is indeed less than 100k deaths caused by authoritarian dictatorship. As a democratic country we’re trying to avoid it with peaceful organization and protest, but our law enforcement keeps violating our constitutional rights.

Ok, look how France or Greece deals with riots. Water canoons, tear gas, rubber bullets, internet shutdown, checkpoints on every city block... 700 cases is very low number. edit: my answers for posts bellow I used countries with nation wide riots in recent internet age. US is not Norway! America is full of radicals and happy trigger rednecks. If anything France has special anti riot units, trained to use non lethal f…

You're cherry-picking examples of how it's worse and ignoring examples of how it's better. Why not compare to Norway, Canada, or New Zealand?

Also it's not like the same regulatory body came up with these numbers and said "this is an objective metric on the quantity of police brutality in these countries!" You just feel like 700 is low and other countries are worse, when there could be many more examples we don't know about in all of the countries!

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by exogen »

brigandish wrote: post #126
ncallaway wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I downvoted you because I live in a Seattle, and this question shows a ignorance of the facts: “Letting them take over entire city blocks as Seattle has done?”

A bare assertion followed by a bare refusal isn't much help. If you would instead provide some information, that would be a big help to all those of us who do not live in Seattle.

This is a very accurate take that leads with some context before getting to the current situation: https://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/620713736158724096/he...

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by chillwaves »

known wrote: post #156

Since 45% of America is uninhabited it's better to give African-Americans a Separate Country https://archive.vn/YXDP8

How will you tell who is sufficiently white or black enough to live in each part of the country?

Also very disappointing to see openly white supremacist posts on HN. Shameful.

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Post by deathgrips »

pnako wrote: post #141

I don't see much discussion of root causes here. But a lot of "police ought to be this or that". Perhaps the best solution is to have more democracy or community input into policing. It seems like it's happening now in the US (it would be quite different in other countries, where the police is national and considered civil servants; in France you can't elect sheriffs, and police is beyond the responsibility of mayors…

We have already had more democracy and community input. It does nothing and gets ignored. The cops keep defending other cops from all accountability.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by anonymoushn »

nogridbag wrote: post #181
anonymoushn wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In your second link: At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving. When the SUV stops, Adam is mobbed by cops and beaten. The driver Bob (a victim of having a cop push someone into his window) is detained, his hands zip-tied. A bystander Charlie who doesn't seem to do anything is also zip-tied. At 1:43 a cop see…

> At 0:16 a cop pushes Adam partially into the passenger window of an SUV, apparently hoping that he will fall out and be injured while the SUV is moving. This is the second time I've made a comment in defense of the police in a specific incident and if it's anything like last time I will be downvoted to oblivion. Do you have any information to support your claim? (another video perhaps?) I think false claims only hu…

I watched again and it looks like you're correct. Thanks.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by triceratops »

oh_sigh wrote: post #148
Titanous wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I combined the two tables in the spreadsheet linked below, and there are many occupations that are more dangerous than police officer if we look at fatalities by per-capita occupation. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dXtv2wnutujfXWUHB9Bm...

This sounds like one arguing that playing russian roulette isn't dangerous, because one can name more dangerous activities. The fact that deep sea fishing is ultra dangerous doesn't mean that being a cop isn't dangerous.

"It's a dangerous job" is given as a reason for why so much policy brutality occurs. Pointing out how dangerous it is relative to other professions is absolutely germane.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by TeaDrunk »

throw7373 wrote: post #175
deathgrips wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're comparing protesting to open warfare.

100k is still within "riots" scale given the size of US. But if someone complains about police brutality in this case, they have zero experience, probably never left their city or read a book.

You may not be aware of this but in the education system of the United States, which is mandatory for all of our children, we are taught that the history of America is the culture of fighting against authoritarian regimes no matter their form. While the truth is complicated(in fact we’ve helped set up authoritarian regimes), it means that Americans generally view the protests of any authoritarian moves to be a patriotic duty. If you’re not American I don’t expect you to necessarily understand our culture, but where we are from it’s generally unacceptable for the police to treat citizens this way.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by deathgrips »

mjfl wrote: post #158
js2 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s about 100 officers a year in the U.S. About half are homicides and the other half are car accidents on the job. It doesn’t rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs (per capita) in the U.S. according to the BLS. The number of deaths will be much higher this year, at least double, due to COVID19 deaths. The job pays well and comes with a pension. It’s nearly impossible to get fired and if you do get fired, most offi…

honestly the whole "being a police officer is not even a dangerous job" is really non-intuitive, which probably means it's wrong. Being a police officer is a dangerous job, but through thorough training and institutional experience, they've managed to lean how to keep themselves safe in actively dangerous situations. Landscapers and truck drivers never have to wrestle a large, non-compliant man into handcuffs or talk…

>Software engineers who sit on their computers all day and try to backseat drive on these issues should probably be dragged into the streets and set on fire.

Congratulations, I think you're qualified to be a cop.

Re: George Floyd Protest – police brutality videos on Twitter

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Post by wrmsr »

fiblye wrote: post #129
rabidrat wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Over the last week I have been starting to realize that what you said is true in general, and not just of protests. It seems that police inflame and instigate most of the violent situations they are involved in. We are literally paying to be abused. We shouldn't be trying to get that money back; we shouldn't even be paying it in the first place.

One example is civil asset forfeiture. Police can and do stop people at random, see if they have “suspicious” valuables or a little too much money, and seize it. It’s virtually impossible to fight the case and it’s literally free money with zero consequence to the police. If you try to deny them their free money, they just arrest you. It’s legally condoned robbery. I’ve had friends who’ve been pulled over while passi…

It actually exceeds non-police theft these days: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-... ( https://outline.com/UX7nfW ).
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