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MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by cdmckay »

ksec wrote: post #128
cdmckay wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What less than ethical history are you referring to? Have they deleted posts before?

>Have they deleted posts before? Yes, and sort of the reason why most people discuss these sort of issues in other forum to gain support and evidence before posting it in the Official Forum. Negative Post there, whether they are Hardware or Software are regularly deleted. And I thought it was quite well known.

I've never heard that before.

Is there an article or some source you can link to so I can read about it?

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by tpmx »

sudhirj wrote: post #134
kevingadd wrote: post #113

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fwiw NVIDIA GPUs have had a similar behavior under normal conditions on Windows forever. After following up with tech support about it, the explanation provided can basically be summarized as 'the higher the resolution + refresh rate of your attached monitors, the more demand placed on the memory controller and scan-out, which means a higher minimum GPU and/or memory clock to drive it'. My current RTX 20xx card can d…

It seems more related to 1440p specifically. People reporting no issues with higher resolutions.

I have a 2160p external monitor attached to my MBP 16" via Thunderbolt/Displayport 1.2 at 60 Hz.

I tried out the five different "Looks like" scalings the Display Preferences allow for and then eyeballed the "Radeon High Side" wattage readouts via iStat Menus:

1280x720: 18W

1920x1080: 6W

2560x1440: 6W

3200x1800: 6W

3840x2160: 6W

So it looks like it might (also?) be related to the display resolution scaling.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by bluedino »

desdiv wrote: post #42
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #33

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That's why I buy gaming laptops for my work needs even though I don't play games. Their heatsinks are generously sized resulting in good thermals and acoustics.

I use a similar trick: I try to find a laptop that comes in both discrete-GPU and integrated-GPU configurations, and both version must share the identical chassis. This way, when I buy the integrated version, I know the chassis has been designed with the heavier airflow of the discrete-GPU version in mind. If I'm lucky, my integrated-GPU config might even use the identical size heat-sinks as the discrete-GPU version.

They stopped doing that with the 15" MacBook Pro after 2015 :(

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by Ackshully »

nujabe wrote: post #15

What's disturbing is that Apple seem to be deleting posts: After attempting to be part of the solution; spending a ton of time testing, providing information in the community, communicating with Apple Engineers and Apple Business Team, our most recent post was deleted as "Speculative". We have spent over $300,000 on Apple hardware over the years both business and consumer and now our voice has been muted. How can we…

Psst - Hacker News deletes posts too.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by S_A_P »

bluedino wrote: post #172

There isn't anything wrong here. One of the confusing issues is that people say, "I'm only using 15% of my CPU, the fans should not be coming on." What they don't realize, is that using 1 core running at turbo speeds is only going to show up as 15% of the CPU, but draw enough power and create enough heat to trigger the fans! Another thing that some of these posters are not aware of, is that running these temperature/…

I agree with what you are saying up until you say nothing is wrong with the fan coming on at a 15% cpu load.

regardless of what is really happening to take that 15% load, if the fan comes on that strong, it is not a proper thermal design. As a contrast, I have an 8 core iMac Pro. It can run full throttle and I rarely if ever hear the fan and it is much quieter than my 2018 6 core macbook pro. Of course a 27" home chassis has much more room to dissapate heat, but that is the point. Shoving oversized processors with multiple cores that generate lots of heat is at odds with Jony Ive's add more thinness campaign. I am now in a position where I use my macbook for dev and more intensive uses and its so damn annoying that Im seriously considering getting rid of it. I was at a client site this week, and my laptop was constantly the but of the joke, and disruptive to 5 other people working in a conference room. Sorry, but that just sucks...

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by CountSessine »

logicalskeptic wrote: post #135
jmull wrote: post #131

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> the real reason is to suppress bad press. Your assertion doesn't match the plain facts though. We know Apple isn't suppressing this issue because there's a long, detailed thread about it on their own discussion site. If they wanted to try to suppress it, they would surely include that but didn't. Also, suppressing information about problems to prevent bad press can't work anyway, since Apple only controls its own l…

Have they acknowledged their keyboard issues?

Yes, they have a replacement program.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by missosoup »

stouset wrote: post #176
missosoup wrote: post #146

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Cook is riding on the upward trajectory that was set before he took his role. Brand image carries a lot of inertia, and as a manager rather than a visionary, cook focused on getting the most use out of that pre-set trajectory while it lasted. It has run out of energy. If AR doesn't pay off, it's all downhill for Apple from Q4 this year onwards.

This argument gets more and more ridiculous as time progresses. Apple is worth nearly ten times what it was eight years ago. It’s launched a watch which has, in a few short years, overtaken the entire Swiss watch industry in revenue. This is just another take on the tired argument that Apple is only successful because of a core group of fanboys/girls who will buy anything just because it’s Apple, despite Apple’s cust…

I set some fairly short term and trivially verifiable predictions. Save this comment and come back to it at the end of this year.

Unless Apple's AR play succeeds, they're going to be left in the dust by Chinese offerings with better functionality at half the price.

Cook has had the better part of the decade to come up with something new, and has failed to deliver anything except incremental minor updates which are increasingly convergent on competitor offerings. There is clearly no vision.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by Ackshully »

Ackshully wrote: post #184
nujabe wrote: post #15

What's disturbing is that Apple seem to be deleting posts: After attempting to be part of the solution; spending a ton of time testing, providing information in the community, communicating with Apple Engineers and Apple Business Team, our most recent post was deleted as "Speculative". We have spent over $300,000 on Apple hardware over the years both business and consumer and now our voice has been muted. How can we…

Psst - Hacker News deletes posts too.

In fact they delete posts about the fact they delete posts.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

baybal2 wrote: post #54
iaml wrote: post #41

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> Make it thicker, but with better cooling, better storage, better GPUs etc. They literally did all of that in 16 inch.

Yes they made it thicker, but as you see, without much gain. They just made it look thicker, with an innuendo that this is for better thermals, while in reality it isn't.

My guess is the extra thickness is for the non-butterfly keyboard.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Post by bluedino »

baybal2 wrote: post #54
iaml wrote: post #41

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> Make it thicker, but with better cooling, better storage, better GPUs etc. They literally did all of that in 16 inch.

Yes they made it thicker, but as you see, without much gain. They just made it look thicker, with an innuendo that this is for better thermals, while in reality it isn't.

The 16" model has far thermals and performance than they 15" model - even while using the exact same CPU.
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