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MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Considering the existence of the long support thread, Apple doesn't seem to be trying to suppress this issue. And that poster has many posts, so isn't being targeted either. Could it be the posts were deleted legitimately? Some people in that thread are pretty angry and may have let it get the better of them.

Given Apple's less than ethical history, I'm not sure it's reasonable to give them benefit of doubt. They might have an excuse that fans can believe, but the real reason is to suppress bad press.

> the real reason is to suppress bad press.

Your assertion doesn't match the plain facts though.

We know Apple isn't suppressing this issue because there's a long, detailed thread about it on their own discussion site. If they wanted to try to suppress it, they would surely include that but didn't.

Also, suppressing information about problems to prevent bad press can't work anyway, since Apple only controls its own litter corner of the internet. If Apple didn't allow discussion of this issue on their board, it would be discussed elsewhere and generate the same bad press. If we suppose Apple tries to work in its own self-interests, they wouldn't bother with deleting posts to prevent bad press since it can't possibly work.

Meanwhile, there are obviously legitimate reasons to moderate postsm, so the fact that posts are being deleted doesn't seem nefarious on its own. There are angry people in that thread and angry people tend post things that need moderation.

I mean, I don't know. I'm open to the possibility that Apple is doing something bad. But so far, there's really no smoke, much less any fire.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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post #92

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I literally said they can switch, but it is not easy and takes effort. You're assuming a lot by saying they haven't even considered it. And more relevant to this post, Apple still sold people a multi-thousand dollar device, and those people are entitled to question why the device doesn't perform as expected.

My point was, that we now have a long enough history of Apple's hardware failures, delayed admissions, and constrained repairability. Instead of pretending to be surprised by another of Apple's non-reactions, they should use this as an opportunity to reconsider the whole picture. At least, if Dell starts sucking, they can switch to HP or Lenovo, and the other way around. If Apple stars sucking, they have no other opt…

>My point was, that we have now a long enough history of Apple's hardware failures, delayed admissions, and constrained repairability.

Because despite all of its problems, sadly Apple's product is still very often the best on the market.

You sort of wish Microsoft to do better, both hardware and Software, along with HP and Dell. But the market is polarised with one group who dont care or understand quality, or another group who demands absolute perfection and are willing to pay for it.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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This appears to be a software bug in macOS or AMD's drivers. Plugging in an external monitor at certain resolutions (1440p@60Hz in my case) will cause the AMD GPU to draw 18-20W constantly, no matter what it's doing. This causes the total system draw to increase from ~10W to ~30W. All that heat has to go somewhere. If I change the resolution of my external monitor to 1080p the AMD GPU drops to ~4W and the fans are qu…

That's interesting. I was watching a movie on my 1440p@60hz monitor last night on my 16" MBP in clamshell mode and the fans were on the whole time. That sounds like a connection.

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Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

#134
post #28

This appears to be a software bug in macOS or AMD's drivers. Plugging in an external monitor at certain resolutions (1440p@60Hz in my case) will cause the AMD GPU to draw 18-20W constantly, no matter what it's doing. This causes the total system draw to increase from ~10W to ~30W. All that heat has to go somewhere. If I change the resolution of my external monitor to 1080p the AMD GPU drops to ~4W and the fans are qu…

fwiw NVIDIA GPUs have had a similar behavior under normal conditions on Windows forever. After following up with tech support about it, the explanation provided can basically be summarized as 'the higher the resolution + refresh rate of your attached monitors, the more demand placed on the memory controller and scan-out, which means a higher minimum GPU and/or memory clock to drive it'. My current RTX 20xx card can d…

It seems more related to 1440p specifically. People reporting no issues with higher resolutions.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

#135
post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given Apple's less than ethical history, I'm not sure it's reasonable to give them benefit of doubt. They might have an excuse that fans can believe, but the real reason is to suppress bad press.

> the real reason is to suppress bad press. Your assertion doesn't match the plain facts though. We know Apple isn't suppressing this issue because there's a long, detailed thread about it on their own discussion site. If they wanted to try to suppress it, they would surely include that but didn't. Also, suppressing information about problems to prevent bad press can't work anyway, since Apple only controls its own l…

Have they acknowledged their keyboard issues?

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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What's disturbing is that Apple seem to be deleting posts: After attempting to be part of the solution; spending a ton of time testing, providing information in the community, communicating with Apple Engineers and Apple Business Team, our most recent post was deleted as "Speculative". We have spent over $300,000 on Apple hardware over the years both business and consumer and now our voice has been muted. How can we…

> How can we move forward using Apple? And why should they? What's wrong with trying out something like Thinkpad X series[1] instead? Or Thinkpad P series, which can now come with Ubuntu LTS pre-installed. I wonder, if they would have invested so much time in fixing Dell's issues for Dell. Probably not. Why? Because there is no Dell's lock-in. [1] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/c/t...

I’ll tell you one reason why you shouldn’t switch to a Lenovo laptop: their atrocious history with backdoors and buggy, vulnerable software, and the lockdown within their BIOS/UEFI to prevent things like swapping components for no good reason.

Ok well, that was more than one reason, but you get the drift.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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This cliched argument is quite ironic and insane. A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time. Just last week there was a news about Apple selling more Watches than the entire Swiss industry and no one would talk about Cook there but when things go wrong, we forget that it's someone in QA or Product but all the blame goes to how Cook isn't a Product guy.

> A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time Yes they do. If they're not visionary, then they're just a manager. Apple grew because of a visionary, and now it shrinks because the best a manager can do is try to maintain the status quo in the face of changing factors. It's fundamentally a losing battle.

Cook has overseen just shy of 1 trillion dollars worth of growth for Apple. They routinely have quarters larger than Apple’s entire year back in 2011.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

#139

One thing I miss about Steve Jobs is that he hated fan noise. The fact that Macs only made noise under extreme load was something that I really appreciated. I'm at a loss for what I'm going to do for my next laptop. Windows 10 still has performance issues that Macs don't have, but Windows laptops clearly have better hardware. Anyone make the switch back to Windows? (Every time I try Linux it feels like a dumpster fir…

I've been considering both Linux and Windows (with the linux subsystem, obviously) but so far can't bring myself to do it. I'm leaning towards Linux. My main beef with both ecosystems is the high amount DYI and tweaking needed to get things functioning and that I actually need to make an indepth study of exactly which variants of which hardware to get in order to get a linux setup that works.

With windows I have no love for Windows specifically but would appreciate access to a wider selection of games. For work, all I need is docker and access to linux/unix tooling. Homebrew and docker for mac cover my needs but I've been hearing good things about windows and the linux subsystem. Obviously that kind of stuff works great on Linux as it all runs natively there.

IMHO the big problem with Linux is that people are still thinking about distributions like it is the early nineties. It does not make sense to me for small (or even bigger) linux distributions to even pretend to be able to maintain huge software repositories with distribution specific builds of all OSS known to mankind. What's needed here is people just agreeing on how to package up binaries such that they can be run on any linux distribution after their developers test, sign and release them.

I saw this in action when one of my favorite OSS tools released a major version a few weeks ago and I was able to install the mac build while world + dog was complaining about a lack of pre-packaged binaries for their favorite Linux distros (pretty much all of them). I'm talking about Darktable, which is one reason I'm seriously considering a move to Linux because I absolutely love it and it runs best on Linux. I installed it within 2 hours after it was tagged on Github. That for me sums up the problem with Linux: the application ecosystem remains a mess of incompatibility and middlemen adding dubious value (mainly verifying it does not clash with their other customizations for other packages).

IMHO this is a reason why the most widely used consumer versions of Linux are basically things like Android, ChromeOS, and a wide range of software for TVs and other embedded hardware; none of which involve a mainstream Linux distribution or package manager. The only package managers you need on a mac are for installing OSS software. Normal software is just a simple drag and drop to install and move to trash to uninstall. Apple nailed this already with OS 9 before Linux was a thing. MS with its need for custom installers never figured this out either.

Docker is kind of doing this for servers these days and snaps look promising but still a bit flaky. I think it's telling that the hope for gaming on Linux is basically Steam doing the hard work of providing a way to install software on Linux that is compatible with the goals of software developers that want to release software directly to users instead of to some middlemen that need to repackage, modify, an tweak a custom package of your software.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Makes me wonder if there's technology for fanless fans, moving air without spinning fans.

Dyson's visually look like this. https://www.dyson.com/fans-and-heaters/dyson-cool-overview.h...

That's not something I expected to read in the description of a fan:

"Purifier and fan. Not wifi compatible."

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