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Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Post by davidgh »

p1necone wrote: post #159
scarface74 wrote: post #156

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You can only use Apple Pay in Safari. But if you use the standard W3C Payments API, a Chrome browser running on an Android device with suitable security will use Android Pay just like an Apple device running Safari will use Apple Pay. Apple Pay is Safari’s implementation of the standard. Apple stores your payment information and uses the Secure Enclave for authorization. How could Apple ensure a secure path on non Ap…

Ah, I see. So if a merchant supports paying with Apple Pay, they also support paying with Android, or any other payment provider that supports the same standard?

Not automatically. If a merchant does the work to support Apple Pay they don’t get Google Pay “for free”. But if you’ve done the work for Apple Pay, you’ve covered a lot of the ground necessary to support Google Pay, for example.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Post by kuroikyu »

ukyrgf wrote: post #70
anbotero wrote: post #30

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You know who has to suffer from this? International buyers. I buy a lot from Amazon, and I live in Colombia. While these days there are a lot of direct, global shipments from Amazon, I still buy a lot of things I leave at my aunt's house in Miami by the time I travel to pick it all up. I remember not being able to buy a custom Converse shoe on their vendor site because I didn't have a local US credit card. I hate it,…

This is a really common fraud scheme. As an independent seller with little fraud protection, it's foolish to ship to an address that doesn't match the billing address.

I ship 90% of my purchases to the office where I spend most of the day. There's no one at home from 9 to 5 so shipping it there would be foolish, as you put it.

Most of the people I work with does the same thing so I think you're very much wrong in your thinking. If it works for you, then fine, but it's not foolish at all and it's the best option for a lot of people.

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Post by imtringued »

davidgh wrote: post #181
p1necone wrote: post #159

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Ah, I see. So if a merchant supports paying with Apple Pay, they also support paying with Android, or any other payment provider that supports the same standard?

Not automatically. If a merchant does the work to support Apple Pay they don’t get Google Pay “for free”. But if you’ve done the work for Apple Pay, you’ve covered a lot of the ground necessary to support Google Pay, for example.

So they will only support Apple Pay?

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Post by imtringued »

techsupporter wrote: post #125
fireattack wrote: post #119

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People don't seem to like the additional "convenience fee" when they're paying their bill online, though :P (which to be fair, is indeed more convenient than paying it in-person.)

I don't like the "convenience fee" for two reasons: 1) I object to being charged to give someone money. If you tell me I owe you $90 and that you accept this list of methods to pay and I go to use one of those methods and you reply "oh to use that method I will charge you an extra $3.95," I am going to use the method that costs me an extra $0 because I already agreed to give you $90; you can work out how to collect t…

Use direct debit or wire transfers like normal people.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Post by 100-xyz »

iClaudiusX wrote: post #107
rubbingalcohol wrote: post #17

Amazon sells so many counterfeit Nike products that I've been using Nike and Adidas' online stores for quite awhile. Amazon is so bad when it comes to counterfeits that there are only two conditions that will lead me to purchase an item there anymore: - Either the item is listed as being sold by its original manufacturer and fulfilled by Amazon - Or I just need something and don't care if it's cheap Chinese crap I'm…

I only use Amazon to browse selections, and then buy direct from the brand's site. Buying only from Amazon made sense in the bad old days when most sites didn't have their act together with payment processing and shipping. Thankfully, those days are long gone. It's basically the reverse of the "browse in store, buy on Amazon for cheaper" experience.

I tried this while trying to buy a Kurta Pajama (Indian dress). Amazon price for the same thing was about 15$. Direct was about 50$!!

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Post by compiler-guy »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #170
compiler-guy wrote: post #123

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> You're supposed to be making profits, not happiness for your marketing team. These two things have a strong positive correlation. Marketing teams don't become happy just because you get a newsletter. They become happy because you engage with the brand and the brand makes more sales. Which in turn makes for more profits.

These two things have a strong positive correlation. Marketing teams don't become happy just because you get a newsletter. They become happy because you engage with the brand and the brand makes more sales. Which in turn makes for more profits. Making people jump through hoops to stop the barrage of spam certainly means your users will be engaged. But it also means they'll be unhappy. Which in turn makes for fewer pr…

If that were true, businesses would notice and stop the behavior. The unfortunate fact is that spam works, reengagement marketing works, lots of things that are annoying work, for definitions of work that mean, "works for the business using the tactic".

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Post by chihuahua »

consumer451 wrote: post #146
zwaps wrote: post #143

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Any brand who cares should dislike Amazon. As a consumer, at least half of anything I order on Amazon is fake, and Amazon gives no indication of caring at all. Hence, if I order a pair of Nike shoes on Amazon, there is a good chance I receive an absolutely inferior product and blame it on the brand. Once that damage is done, I - and a perhaps a portion of my friends - will never buy the brand again. Ever.

It’s seems to me that this could be much worse than shoes. For example, how am I supposed to know if the Sandisk flash drive I bought was directly from the manufacturer, and not a 3rd party who is part of an industrial espionage effort? How about a Yubikey? This is likely not just a problem with Amazon, but it sure would be nice if they gave me an option to buy things directly from the oem, guaranteed.

For Samsung MicroSD cards, Samsung has a tool you can download that authenticates the card. I don't know the specifics of what the tool does, but presumably with proper use of cryptography techniques, it could be made nearly impossible to circumvent.

A caveat - I used the tool and it said the card was genuine. Afterwards I put it back in my dashcam, and the dashcam said the card was bad. I just had to reformat it in the dashcam and then it was fine.

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Post by dkonofalski »

tingletech wrote: post #167
dkonofalski wrote: post #88

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The prompt that comes up to initiate Apple Pay has a section for the shipping information. If you click that, you can create multiple locations and addresses for each location. You can even create custom emails in the same way under the email section. Is that what you were doing and were unable to do it or was there some kind of technical issue?

I just hit "Buy" and it was bought -- I didn't get any prompt that I noticed except for "approve this on your watch"

There's a prompt after you hit buy where it requires you to either double-tap the side button (on iOS) or TouchID (on MacOS and some iOS devices). On that prompt, it shows all the transaction information including shipping info, the card Apple Pay will run the transaction on, and the contact information for the transaction.

You must have been speeding through and missed it.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Post by post_below »

anonforemplyer wrote: post #100
post_below wrote: post #86

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The problem there is that ecommerce vendors are usually offering products on a variety of channels where price is a major factor in the buying decision. The product is going to be listed in Google shopping, it may have the price attached to organic results, it might be listed on a third party clearinghouse, etc.. And in those cases it's going to show up next to other merchants selling the same product. Inflating the…

"retailers with similar physical infrastructure (Walmart, Kroger, et al)" There's a lot more to direct-to-consumer logistics than there is to "center-to-store" logistics. Distribution-center-to-store logistics can rely on largish shipments of any individual product, very large shipments for any DC to any store, and has a backup mini-warehouse (aka the back of that Kroger's) for each delivery site. Amazon can't store…

You might be right, that they won't be able to pull it off, but a future where the majority of retail happens digitally isn't far off. If someone other than Amazon doesn't figure out the logistics before then, Amazon will eat the whole marketplace.

Re: Nike won’t sell directly to Amazon anymore

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Post by inferiorhuman »

compiler-guy wrote: post #186
inferiorhuman wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These two things have a strong positive correlation. Marketing teams don't become happy just because you get a newsletter. They become happy because you engage with the brand and the brand makes more sales. Which in turn makes for more profits. Making people jump through hoops to stop the barrage of spam certainly means your users will be engaged. But it also means they'll be unhappy. Which in turn makes for fewer pr…

If that were true, businesses would notice and stop the behavior. The unfortunate fact is that spam works, reengagement marketing works, lots of things that are annoying work, for definitions of work that mean, "works for the business using the tactic".

reengagement marketing works

That sort of shit works because the utility is being measured incorrectly. All those hoops to opt out really juice the engagement metrics but don't determine if someone is interested in using your product or flailing about trying to escape the clutches of unwanted spam.

Take for instance Western Digital. In order to provide feedback on their (lousy) customer support you have to opt into all sorts of marketing surveys. If nobody opts in, nobody's complaining and so everything must be fine, right?

lol

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