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Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says

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Post by kakwa_ »

throw0101a wrote: post #151
sithadmin wrote: post #29

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The Swiss watchmaking industry was once largely focused on producing cheap copies of English and French watches. Today Swiss watchmakers are renowned for quality and innovation.

In the 1980s, electronics that said "Made in Japan" were well-regarded (still are today), but in the 1950s it was the opposite: they were seen as cheap. This was actually a joke in the movie Back to the Future . See also Japanese cars from the 1970s versus the 1990s to today.

Same thing with electric guitars.

In the 60 and early 70ies, Made in Japan guitars, specially copies of Gibson and Fender guitars where not well regarded.

But they started to greatly improve, and by the late 70ies and 80ies they were equal if not better than their originals (specially Fender which was not well managed by CBS at the time).

In the copy department you still have brands like Burny/Fernandez or Tokai, and also brands that outgrew the simple copy business with genuine models such as Ibanez, Yamaha or Takamine (a few lawsuits may have helped them develop in that direction).

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Post by z2 »

eastendguy wrote: post #145
ucha wrote: post #22

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China managed to quite quickly absorb the technology transfer from Alstom/Siemens to build high-speed trains. Now their trains are better than anyone else's and they have more high-speed rails than any other country. They even managed to beat competitors and export their trains to Turkey and Argentina... I have no doubt their airplane will ultimately be successful.

Are the trains better e. g. compared to TGV or Shinkansen? I doubt that. Or just cheaper? Sure, cheaper is also a form of "better". Please note that they forced the technology transfer from Siemens. That is one of the key issues with today's China.

Well, it was also a tech transfer from Kawasaki (makers of Shinkansen trains), unless you think they bungled the technology, it's very possible these trains at least match the quality of Siemens and Kawasaki trains. You can see the specs and pictures on Wikipedia and decide for yourself.

Like the sibling post says, the tragedy is that they got both companies to give up their tech because each thought the winner would get a monopoly over the entire domestic market for at least a decade or so.

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Post by monocasa »

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #175
monocasa wrote: post #19

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They're padding the document heavily is why. That's also why they have a whole section on "we spent time tracking down the Jiangsu Bureau of the MSS's buildings", with the conclusion that they're the buildings with "Jiangsu Bureau of the MSS" written in big letters on the side.

Hah! And to think, their client could have paid $50k for this report that I and a few undergrads could hammer out in a Thursday evening after some yerba mate.

Lol, well to be fair I know I do some of my best work on Thursday evenings with a good mate buzz going. : P

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Post by z2 »

Judgmentality wrote: post #109
djsumdog wrote: post #103

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During WW2, there was an internment camp called Manzanar, where the US put all the Japanese, even those with full American citizenship, simply because they were Japanese.

This does nothing to address GP's point. GP: "What if the data actually shows 95% of Chinese people will break US law when given the chance?" You: "Did you know there used to be Japanese internment camps?" I think this is an interesting article that discusses what "racism" means in society today: https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/21/against-murderism/

I think both GP and GGP are somewhat loaded questions. The first is a hypothetical question that, while possibly genuine, can have a scaremongering side-effect. The second (perhaps unnecessarily) takes this as flamebait and extrapolates that cold calculation can lead to seemingly rational decisions such as mass interment based on the perpetual foreigner status of East Asians.

I have not studied rationalism or humanism at all and don't have much opinion on anti-discrimination or anti-anti-discrimination. The issue that sometimes boils over on mostly homogeneous countries like China is that people conflate many different things together. A distinction needs to be made, rather than blurred, on ethnic background, nationality, current government, their culture, or something else. (This is an assumption.)

Say what you will about 'The Chinese,' but please make it clear who and what you are talking about. A communist party member is very different from a middle class worker who holds a Chinese passport, or someone who has resided outside of China for decades. or a second generation immigrant with a Chinese-sounding last name. The above people probably have very different views on ethnocentrism or loyalty to 'the motherland' and should never be lumped together by proxy and acted on with uniform policy. This isn't racism because there are many other things at play, and discriminatory outcomes might defined by consequence. But such levels of ambiguous smearing can cause the same kind of prejudice from applying abstract, ill-placed fears more broadly than deserved.

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Post by z2 »

ddiq wrote: post #110
djsumdog wrote: post #103

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During WW2, there was an internment camp called Manzanar, where the US put all the Japanese, even those with full American citizenship, simply because they were Japanese.

It's a perfectly reasonable stance in a war. Better to have 10,000 people interned than to risk a few more Takeo Yoshikawas running around.

"While the Yoshikawa case appeared to retroactively justify the decision to intern Japanese Americans, he himself distrusted the Japanese-American community which in his mind was loyal to America over Japan."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeo_Yoshikawa#cite_note-Time...

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Post by ddiq »

piersadrian wrote: post #165
ddiq wrote: post #125

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This is just not true. The percentage of blacks in a population is a higher correlate for crime than income, poverty, or any other economic factors. This has been replicated many times. edit: Here are some studies. I would have put them in a reply but I'm being rate limited. Any one is sufficient on its own, but all are interesting. http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/ http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22…

This opinion is heavily biased toward a white-nationalist narrative. For instance, the second linked “study” is actually a propaganda piece published by the New Century Foundation, an organization described by its founder, Jared Taylor, as “white-separatist”. HN is not the place for this.

Can you find something wrong with the research itself in any of the papers that I linked?

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Post by ddiq »

hyperbovine wrote: post #172
ddiq wrote: post #125

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This is just not true. The percentage of blacks in a population is a higher correlate for crime than income, poverty, or any other economic factors. This has been replicated many times. edit: Here are some studies. I would have put them in a reply but I'm being rate limited. Any one is sufficient on its own, but all are interesting. http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/ http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22…

> Any one is sufficient on its own, but all are interesting. You use technical terms like "sufficient" and "replicated", as though you actually understood how science worked, but then link to a pile of crap scholarship published in third-rate journals by cranks and racists. It's annoying. And dangerous. Worse, you appear to be completely unaware of the distinction between correlation and causation, and what policy im…

Can you look at the data and come to a different conclusion rather than attack the paper ad hominem?

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Post by ekianjo »

cocoggu wrote: post #106
ekianjo wrote: post #83

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> I imagine the ones that are outspoken against the CCP have a much harder time going abroad in the first place. Resistance against the CCP is a very tiny minority since there is a heavy brainwashing about how great everything CCP does since kids go to school at a young age - and they never get any other version of reality.

Disclaimer: I'm french and I'm living in China since my wife is Chinese. It's not only about brainwashing. 40 years ago 85% of the chinese population was below the poverty line. Today it's between 10% and 15%. Under the party governance, almost everyone saw their life standards go up substantially. A lot of the people studying abroad saw their family starting from the bottom and they can now afford to study in wester…

That is the definition of brainwashing. If people believe economic growth comes from CCP and not opening up China to international trade then their view of the world is massively skewed.
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