Schools Are Deploying Digital Surveillance Systems • Hacker News Board

Re: Schools Are Deploying Digital Surveillance Systems

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Post by LordDragonfang » Sat, Jun 08, 2019, 8:57 AM UTC

throwaway66666 wrote: post #166

elliekelly wrote: post #54

> Evergreen Public Schools in Washington state, for example, started using the company's service this school year. Between September and mid-March, the system flagged more than 9,000 incidents in the 26,000-student district. The overwhelming majority-84 percent-were for minor violations, such as profanity. The fact that the system even monitors for profanity at all tells me its purpose has a lot more to do with stude…

You think these schools and teachers want to educate kids? These people want to just get their salary at the end of the month and eliminate all potential liabilities that could get them in trouble. They would ban eye contact and speaking to each other, if it would bring them more peace of mind and job security. Kinda like dictators do...

There are lots and lots of good teachers that do want to educate kids. You don't go into teaching high school for the money.

The further you go up the administrative chain, the less true that statement becomes, however.

Re: Schools Are Deploying Digital Surveillance Systems

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Post by LordDragonfang » Sat, Jun 08, 2019, 9:01 AM UTC

rotrux wrote: post #127

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #9

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They're not dense. These people consider that kind of stuff perfectly acceptable because they have a world view in which living in totalitarian society is acceptable. Their world view simply does not align with yours or mine. They simply do not consider the use these kind of systems to be fundamentally incompatible with free society the way you or I do.

This thread is frustrating. First off, there's a typo in the quote. The word "who" is missing: "..someone who went hunting?" Second off, even if the missing word was "we": "...someone we went hunting." The CEO of the company supplying the software has a direct incentive to see things from the other side. It's not denseness; it's business. This is not a battle between totalitarians and freedom fighters, it's a battle…

A student got arrested for expressing frustration on twitter. It's hard not to read that as creeping into totalitarian.

Re: Schools Are Deploying Digital Surveillance Systems

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Post by rotrux » Sat, Jun 08, 2019, 6:51 PM UTC

LordDragonfang wrote: post #182

rotrux wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread is frustrating. First off, there's a typo in the quote. The word "who" is missing: "..someone who went hunting?" Second off, even if the missing word was "we": "...someone we went hunting." The CEO of the company supplying the software has a direct incentive to see things from the other side. It's not denseness; it's business. This is not a battle between totalitarians and freedom fighters, it's a battle…

A student got arrested for expressing frustration on twitter. It's hard not to read that as creeping into totalitarian.

It's an anecdote. Overzealous policing has happened in lots of democracies for centuries.

Re: Schools Are Deploying Digital Surveillance Systems

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Post by anit010 » Sun, Jun 09, 2019, 12:32 AM UTC

THERE ARE NO CHIEF PRIVACY OFFICERS IN K-12 EDUCATION https://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/Privacy-Online.html AND ETHICS -- There isn't a single school district with a K-12 CPO. In fact, it is still extremely rare for districts to hire even one full-time employee dedicated to privacy. Student Privacy Bill Protection : No Parental Consent Needed for Data Mining also see https://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Technology/PRIVACY_INFORMATION.h...

Re: Schools Are Deploying Digital Surveillance Systems

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Post by TheOperator » Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 7:26 AM UTC

zepto wrote: post #130

TheOperator wrote: post #125

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I don't nessecarily have an issue with surveillance systems as they act as force multipliers for all sorts of noble causes. Surveillance systems should strictly be used for physical safety, anti-vandalism, and loss prevention purposes. You're not preparing kids to succeed by micromanaging them from behind a series of monitors. At all. People who intend to use the system to punish the kids for swearing by no means sho…

What noble causes do they currently act as force multipliers for?

Protecting children's charities from thieves.