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Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by s73v3r_ »

netsec_burn wrote: post #102
IBM wrote: post #84

It's really surprising to me see posts critical of Tesla highly upvoted on HN these days. It tells me the narrative around Tesla is finally starting to break down, and naturally the stock price has declined from its highs as well. A few years ago most of the comments here would have been much more sycophantic. It's very refreshing to see. edit: Ok maybe it's not completely gone yet.

Because we all want Tesla to succeed. It's competition in an industry that needs what Tesla is trying to bring to market. It will also greatly benefit the American economy to be the first to mass produce inexpensive electric cars. So personally, I read comments like yours and wonder who you are and why you feel it is necessary to be critical of that motive.

I, for one, feel it is necessary to be critical of the means of achieving that, namely, by treating your workers like Musk apparently does.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by s73v3r_ »

tntn wrote: post #38
rdiddly wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If everybody hates you, you are NOT doing something right. If everybody loves you, then you're doing it right, and in fact you barely even have to do anything because everybody's helping you.

Listen up, kids! Always do what everyone else is doing, never make anyone mad, always choose the popular path. /s It seems like everything worth doing nowadays results in someone hating you.

"It seems like everything worth doing nowadays results in someone hating you."

No, not in the least. Especially when the things that make people mad, in this case, treating your workers horribly, are entirely avoidable.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by s73v3r_ »

dollar wrote: post #90

This is why you shouldn’t put your business in California. There’s a legion of highly-paid bureaucrats who have nothing, I mean nothing, better to do than screw with you.

So do you believe that working conditions are something that a state should be looking into?

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by komali2 »

Semirhage wrote: post #155
komali2 wrote: post #143

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I am skeptical by default of anything on the internet posted on forums with nothing more than an email requirement. I voice this skepticism because as a hobby I lie on reddit profusely and then track this misinformation, sometimes for years later. I've seen unfactual "memes" spread across reddit like wildfire, such as "eating honey prevents allergies." It's often traceable to a single sub-tree comment in a single pop…

Is this skepticism consistent? If I browse a few weeks of your comment history, will this tendency to doubt “anything posted on the internet with nothing more than an email requirement” be your norm?

I hope so, but if you were willing to take the time to help me find my biases, I would be more than grateful.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

dragonwriter wrote: post #174
Animats wrote: post #129

The real problem for Tesla is that their destiny is probably to be the next BMW - a good midrange luxury car maker, about #12 in the world on volume. That would be fine except for the excessive market cap. Tesla's market cap exceeded GM's at one point. The stock has to come down a lot if Tesla ends up at BMW's scale. Even with Tesla's most optimistic production estimates, Tesla will make far fewer cars than BMW in th…

> The real problem for Tesla is that their destiny is probably to be the next BMW - a good midrange luxury car maker Tesla doesn't do well at the things a non-novelty luxury car maker needs to do well, and EVs are only luxury cars now due to novelty.

I wouldn’t call the Nissan Leaf or GM Bolt+Volt luxury cars at any stretch - thought I appreciate they’re priced $10k more than they should be. I’m still convinced GM and BMW are deliberately trying to delay, if not sabotage, the mass adoption of BEV cars.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by komali2 »

chalkandpaste wrote: post #166
komali2 wrote: post #41

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With respect to you and your friend, I'm automatically skeptical of stories like this. We're on the internet, after all. Has your friend spoken to news agencies about this? Why not, if he/she hasn't? Surely any of the major news agencies would be watering at the mouth for a story like this.

Hey I don’t blame you for being skeptical, it’s the way of the internet. I don’t think media attention is what he wants as he is still attempting to work through legal recourse.

Smart, I can think of a couple articles I've read of people that have torpedoed their legal options by kicking up a shitstorm.

Extended legal action may very well be why there aren't big stories about this.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

freeone3000 wrote: post #78
StudentStuff wrote: post #45

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Its horrifying how Musk treats his workers, its very reminiscent of what Amazon does to most of its employees here in Seattle. Unpaid overtime for warehouse workers? Definitely, as long as the worker doesn't squawk to L&I! Work your developers 10 hours a day, then guilt trip them to coming in on Sunday? Amazon does this constantly. Tesla, SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to have the same work culture as Amazon, even Micro…

"even" Microsoft? Microsoft, home of the individual office, 8-hour workday, #7 in Fortune's Best Places to Work? There's a lot to dislike about bigcorps, but the working environment isn't one of them.

Microsoft ditched individual offices starting in 2014. At least half of the Redmond campus is in “team rooms” now - with mixed results.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by stiGGG »

localhost wrote: post #112
rgbrenner wrote: post #74

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This has been true across the board at Tesla... they make almost all of the parts in house, even when there are established reliable providers... even when it costs them more and results in lower quality.. even when they are already short staffed. Musk is pro-NIH syndrome. In fairness, Musk says they will eventually be as reliable, and as high quality as others and it'll be cheaper.. one day. That's the common NIH fa…

There are quite a few parts in the Model S that come from suppliers. The steering wheel, window / mirror controls all appear to come from the same folks that supply Mercedes. I don't know where the parts for the Model 3 come from - the steering wheel and window / mirror controls are definitely different.

For Model S i know that the parts for the air suspension are coming from the german companies Continental and Bilstein. The brakes are made by Brembo from Italy.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by vsundar »

stevenwoo wrote: post #161
Animats wrote: post #119

"... ideologically motivated attack by an extremist organization working directly with union supporters to create a calculated disinformation campaign against Tesla. The piece even includes an interview with Worksafe – the same organization that the UAW enlisted to publish a negative report against Tesla last year, and whose board includes labor union officials and advocates. "[1] - from Tesla's own site. Wow. That s…

Reveal won a Pulitzer Prize in this year for revealing how all around the country judges steered convicted drug offenders into rehab / thinly disguised private industry work camps. I guess that is pretty extremist if one is in favor of private industry work camps and judges benefiting from them. Nomination details: http://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/amy-julia-harris-and-shosh...

> Reveal won a Pulitzer Prize in this year....

Turns out they were a finalist not the winners. The difference is here: http://www.pulitzer.org/page/frequently-asked-questions (no. 23). 3 finalists are chosen by that category jury from the submissions and one winner is picked by the board from that.

Good info though. Thanks.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by danso »

stevenwoo wrote: post #161
Animats wrote: post #119

"... ideologically motivated attack by an extremist organization working directly with union supporters to create a calculated disinformation campaign against Tesla. The piece even includes an interview with Worksafe – the same organization that the UAW enlisted to publish a negative report against Tesla last year, and whose board includes labor union officials and advocates. "[1] - from Tesla's own site. Wow. That s…

Reveal won a Pulitzer Prize in this year for revealing how all around the country judges steered convicted drug offenders into rehab / thinly disguised private industry work camps. I guess that is pretty extremist if one is in favor of private industry work camps and judges benefiting from them. Nomination details: http://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/amy-julia-harris-and-shosh...

Clarification: they were finalists for the award in national reporting. The WaPo and NYT were the winners this year: http://www.pulitzer.org/winners/staffs-new-york-times-and-wa...

Reveal was also a finalist in 2013 (back when it was named California Watch) for the award in public service (generally considered the most prestigious of the Pulitzers): http://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/california-watch

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