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Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by komali2 »

chalkandpaste wrote: post #16

THIS IS FANTASTIC. I’ve had a friend, a specialist engineer doing failure analysis, who has been largely incapacitated from any work because of Tesla. He sustained an injury during a high urgency project (which failed, whodathunk) which required him to work 16 hour days for a few months. During the course of this, he sustained injuries to arms and legs due to machinery issues (the machinery at Tesla often has workers…

With respect to you and your friend, I'm automatically skeptical of stories like this. We're on the internet, after all.

Has your friend spoken to news agencies about this? Why not, if he/she hasn't? Surely any of the major news agencies would be watering at the mouth for a story like this.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by dang »

chalkandpaste wrote: post #16

THIS IS FANTASTIC. I’ve had a friend, a specialist engineer doing failure analysis, who has been largely incapacitated from any work because of Tesla. He sustained an injury during a high urgency project (which failed, whodathunk) which required him to work 16 hour days for a few months. During the course of this, he sustained injuries to arms and legs due to machinery issues (the machinery at Tesla often has workers…

Could you please not use allcaps for emphasis in HN comments? This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by soheil »

ucaetano wrote: post #33
soheil wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning…

Translation: "Things in the universe happen for no greater reason at all, they just happen according to a small and simple set of laws that describe the behavior of matter-energy and space-time" vs. "There's a being, which is conscious, all-knowing and all-powerful, sitting somewhere, or actually nowhere, that uses its power to set things in motion or not, depending on its mood, and how it likes some people, but by n…

Using longer sentences and adding arbitrary words does not make an explanation more complex.

I was simply pointing out that simplest explanation may not always be the most accurate.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by dugluak »

rdiddly wrote: post #13
briandear wrote: post #5

Elon Musk is the Preston Tucker of our time — seems to get hammered from all sides while trying to break the status quo. I have no information to comment on the validity of any allegations, but it seems like Musk is continually under attack. I was a moderate Musk fan before, but now I am really hoping for his success. It seems to me that if you are pissing off everyone, you’re doing something right. I highly recommen…

If everybody hates you, you are NOT doing something right. If everybody loves you, then you're doing it right, and in fact you barely even have to do anything because everybody's helping you.

People who got it wrong will still hate you because you got it right and they got it wrong. So they will try to convince other people that you got it wrong not them. Its not always black and white.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by StudentStuff »

kyrra wrote: post #32
chalkandpaste wrote: post #16

THIS IS FANTASTIC. I’ve had a friend, a specialist engineer doing failure analysis, who has been largely incapacitated from any work because of Tesla. He sustained an injury during a high urgency project (which failed, whodathunk) which required him to work 16 hour days for a few months. During the course of this, he sustained injuries to arms and legs due to machinery issues (the machinery at Tesla often has workers…

If your friend already pursued legal avenues with no results, it may be worth having them reach out to news companies to see if he can get some attention (especially in-light of California starting this investigation). Bad press with case-study sort of issues is always a great way to get things fixed.

Its horrifying how Musk treats his workers, its very reminiscent of what Amazon does to most of its employees here in Seattle.

Unpaid overtime for warehouse workers? Definitely, as long as the worker doesn't squawk to L&I! Work your developers 10 hours a day, then guilt trip them to coming in on Sunday? Amazon does this constantly. Tesla, SpaceX and Blue Origin seem to have the same work culture as Amazon, even Microsoft or Adobe have better work cultures.

Oh, and Musk is all too happy to intimidate employees: https://www.thedailybeast.com/workers-say-tesla-is-trying-to...

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by ebikelaw »

mc32 wrote: post #12

Wonder if Alabama will see the opportunity this might represent for them. High tech and high relative pay.

Alabama produces a million cars a year, in factories that are actually high-tech unlike Tesla’s. You think they are clamoring to bring in an automaker struggling to produce a handful of cars with double the industry injury rate?

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by prolepunk »

eganist wrote: post #25
rdiddly wrote: post #18

"...an ideologically motivated attack by an extremist organization working directly with union supporters to create a calculated disinformation campaign against Tesla" vs. "...Tesla failed to report serious injuries on legally mandated reports to make its numbers appear better than they actually were." Now use Occam's Razor.

I'm actually willing to give Tesla credit here precisely for that reason -- not because unions are bad (many industries need it, auto included), but because UAW in my possibly-misinformed mind has been at least indirectly the cause of a decline in build quality in American cars.

This is a self-contradictory statement and the end of which you're blaming unions for something you don't provide evidence.

Citation please.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by rdiddly »

soheil wrote: post #27
rdiddly wrote: post #18

"...an ideologically motivated attack by an extremist organization working directly with union supporters to create a calculated disinformation campaign against Tesla" vs. "...Tesla failed to report serious injuries on legally mandated reports to make its numbers appear better than they actually were." Now use Occam's Razor.

"Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows. There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning…

Confusing example, since both statements are saying the same thing. "Exalting" the "higher" animals over the others is roughly equivalent to thinking there's a God. More precisely they both evidence the same fond desire, and intellectual bias, to impose a dreamed-up hierarchical structure on nature, rather than to describe nature itself. Presumably the first speaker wishes Man to be the God, whereas the second wants God to be the God. Occam's Razor is that they're both wrong and there's no hierarchy or God necessary.

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by StudentStuff »

komali2 wrote: post #41
chalkandpaste wrote: post #16

THIS IS FANTASTIC. I’ve had a friend, a specialist engineer doing failure analysis, who has been largely incapacitated from any work because of Tesla. He sustained an injury during a high urgency project (which failed, whodathunk) which required him to work 16 hour days for a few months. During the course of this, he sustained injuries to arms and legs due to machinery issues (the machinery at Tesla often has workers…

With respect to you and your friend, I'm automatically skeptical of stories like this. We're on the internet, after all. Has your friend spoken to news agencies about this? Why not, if he/she hasn't? Surely any of the major news agencies would be watering at the mouth for a story like this.

Huh? There are articles every week about injured workers at Tesla getting screwed over, its a core reason why the workers are attempting to unionize. Someone needs to stand up to Tesla and protect injured workers.

Take a look for yourself: https://www.qwant.com/?q=tesla%20workers&t=news

Re: California Opens Investigation into Tesla Workplace Conditions

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Post by mmsimanga »

jonny_eh wrote: post #34
mmsimanga wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this day and age it more like if you are doing anything of significance you will have people who hate you.

Or it means nothing, it just means you're doing something, good or bad.

Agreed, the best way not to get criticism is do nothing.
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