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Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by dekhn »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #160
johnward wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption that burning and inhaling anything would be dangerous has been proven wrong a few times on HN. Users have posted studies that show no real negative effects of smoking cannabis.

I disagree with this though. I've been smoking and vaping for years and every time my throat feels weird. I've been making these oils that is just Hemp or Coconut Oil with the flower infused in it. It lasts a lot longer, but takes much longer to start. Around 2 hours whereas smoking is right away.

I'm not claiming there's no problem. however, in my experience, using a lower vape temperature is key. high vape temps actually do burn the material, which leads to much harsher smoke and coughing.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by dekhn »

antoniuschan99 wrote: post #160
johnward wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption that burning and inhaling anything would be dangerous has been proven wrong a few times on HN. Users have posted studies that show no real negative effects of smoking cannabis.

I disagree with this though. I've been smoking and vaping for years and every time my throat feels weird. I've been making these oils that is just Hemp or Coconut Oil with the flower infused in it. It lasts a lot longer, but takes much longer to start. Around 2 hours whereas smoking is right away.

Wait. Are you adding glycerine or not?

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by caycep »

jessep wrote: post #28

I get kidney stones pretty often (6 times in the last 8 years). I vomit from the pain, convulse on the floor, lose all sense of self as I just struggle to survive the sensation. It is intense. Usually I have to go to the emergency room for IV opioids. Then they give you some to take home after you pass the peak of the pain. Last time it happened to me, I went home at around 6pm after going into the hospital that morn…

To be honest with you, maybe it's my part of the country (northeast, now southwest) - I don't know of many colleagues who are comfortable with opioid use or prescribing. Most of us won't prescribe it and will refer to a pain management specialist who knows what they're doing. Most of us are also aware that there have been few long-term studies that show any sort of toxicity or dangers of cannabinoid use other than at ultra high doses, so personally, I think it's probably safer than using something like Xanax or clonazepam. Certainly safer than opiates.

The limiting factor - you cannot just write a prescription to the local CVS, so if patients want it, I can only recommend that they and their family seek out a reputable dispensary...the limiting factor, I would say, would be getting the medicine in a form with the tolerances and safety of a typical FDA approved med.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by nthcolumn »

DanBC wrote: post #110
nthcolumn wrote: post #106

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Everyone (allegedly) got tested. My buddy got fired. He worked on an IT helpdesk. It is in the small print of his contract. Yes it is construction. UK gov is a ministry of information thing. It says a lot of things that companies here just ignore because they can. Wrongful dismissal laws here were neutered by the tories. More friends tell me it is happening in their companies too. I would show the contract /say more…

The TUC is not a government mouthpiece. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trades_Union_Congress

LOL Try phoning them. Haven't you noticed that they say if it is in the contract you either put up or shut up. Do you think we want to be tested like some animal because I sit at their desk? They tested EVERYBODY. Not random, not as a result of some clue. It was a blanket company wide purge of anyone they didn't like or desperately need who had smoked pot in the last hundred days. They are legally allowed to do so and even if they weren't legally allowed to do so they would do it anyway because what are you going to do? Fight a huge corporation's legal? Even if you win your award is capped at whatever crappy salary they deigned you were worth and you still have no job because they will just blacklist you. Methinks YOU have some vested interest you are not declaring because most people think this is disgusting fascist behaviour. My buddy worked on fucking helpdesk. They just don't like it and here we have the state saying you can regulate your pain with the drugs of their choice whilst making money off the back of stuff which kills millions. Well screw them.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by e40 »

chejazi wrote: post #9

The timing of this is interesting. A few days ago, the White House press sec claimed cannabis is a gateway to opioid use: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/2...

Let's hope that isn't a precursor to the current administration going after the states that have legalized it (for medical or recreational use).

Given the appointments DT has made so far, I wouldn't consider this as far fetched.

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Post by always_good »

nol13 wrote: post #156
awestroke wrote: post #129

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LSD cannot be patented, so Big Pharma cannot make money on it - they'd have to compete on price, which would lead to really slim margins. If LSD is kept illegal, they can sell patented "alternatives" at huge margins.

As much as I believe that psychedelic experiences should be available to those who seek them, and pro rec mj, LSD can't be legalized. Enough dumbasses out there will drink a vial and then try to drive their car to the moon. Penalties should be much less extreme though. Maybe designated psychedelic theme parks where it's legal and quality controlled with no access to motor vehicles? (with music too?)

If you drank a vial, you'd be curled up on the ground or in bed, not living some scene from The Hangover like the movies portray.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by dragonwriter »

e40 wrote: post #185
chejazi wrote: post #9

The timing of this is interesting. A few days ago, the White House press sec claimed cannabis is a gateway to opioid use: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/02/2...

Let's hope that isn't a precursor to the current administration going after the states that have legalized it (for medical or recreational use). Given the appointments DT has made so far, I wouldn't consider this as far fetched.

They've made pretty clear that they are going to reverse the policy of deprioritizing prosecutions for at least recreational use in states that have legalized, medical use is less clear.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

ryanlol wrote: post #113
ehnto wrote: post #18

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The lack of side effects should be a key part of the decision. Effectiveness of pain relief is in my perhaps inempathetic opinion less important. People can handle some pain, and that is fine. 100% pain relief through opiates vs 50% pain relief through less detrimental means is probably worth it.

But surely most opioid pain treatments will have less side effects than pot? Although, I suppose the side effects of pot are considered desirable by many.

If you had a choice between taking heroin or pot, which one would you take? Granted prescription opiates are somewhat better than heroin, but not that much better.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

righteousmob wrote: post #80

And fundamentalists Christians would rather let God heal their children than consult medical professionals. Let's not elevate the desires of the non-professional to equal the guidance of medical professionals, no matter how wishful we are to do so.

If a patient feels that their pain management needs are being met better by a medication that is also safer than the alternative, why would a medical professional second guess that?

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

prodmerc wrote: post #121
PastaMonster wrote: post #72

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Been asking myself why drugs that make you feel good is banned like cannabis, mushrooms, LSD, etc. Government got anything against people feeling good? Conspiracy?

Something about people not getting addicted and ruining their lives. But then you see alcoholics, smokers with cancer, morbidly obese from food, stabbings... basically, follow the money to see why anything is banned, ever.

Because opiates are well known to have no addictive properties whatsoever.
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