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Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by jk563 »

nthcolumn wrote: post #98

They are making it 'more' illegal in the UK. You are drug tested if you are pulled over by their pigs and their companies do urine tests on every single employee regardless of role and fired. Unless you are an exec I bet and for something you could have done legally over a month ago stateside. My niece has Crohn's. From a lovely vibrant kid she has managed this pain with a smile and nearly died once or twice. She is…

Not sure what you've seen to evidence this. I've worked for 4 companies (definitely not exec level); I've been pulled over a couple of times and not once been asked to do a drug/urine test.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by nthcolumn »

jk563 wrote: post #100
nthcolumn wrote: post #98

They are making it 'more' illegal in the UK. You are drug tested if you are pulled over by their pigs and their companies do urine tests on every single employee regardless of role and fired. Unless you are an exec I bet and for something you could have done legally over a month ago stateside. My niece has Crohn's. From a lovely vibrant kid she has managed this pain with a smile and nearly died once or twice. She is…

Not sure what you've seen to evidence this. I've worked for 4 companies (definitely not exec level); I've been pulled over a couple of times and not once been asked to do a drug/urine test.

Do I have to name the company I work for? We fired 5 people this year after company wide piss tests at seven sites. THis: http://think.direct.gov.uk/drug-driving.html

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by tomjakubowski »

dutchbrit wrote: post #96
okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #94

Maybe these patients aren't aware of the risks. Maybe they don't know it can KILL!!! http://hightimes.com/news/chelsea-clinton-suggests-marijuana...

This is hardly proof that it kills. And mixing particular drugs with particular other drugs can always cause issues. This doesn't make marijuana a 'killer'.

GP linked to a story in High Times. I think they agree with you and the post is sarcastic.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by vidarh »

mikekchar wrote: post #77
zensavona wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem from the pharma companies point of view is that they have patents on a lot of their drugs, granting exclusivity on production. Marijuana is a plant which anyone can grow (and thus compete with them).

So is tobacco and while I've known the occasional person who grew it, it's pretty uncommon. I've also been surprised that tobacco companies don't get in on the legalise marijuana thing. Possibly they are suffering so much from bad press they don't think they could withstand the backlash...

It is also a new market for them. They can sit on their current market share or help open up a new market and risk it cannibalising their existing market while they potentially may fail to get sufficient market share in the new market to offset the losses.

It seems like basically an industry on the defensive that see it as safer to just hole up and try to maintain status quo as much as possible.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by emiliobumachar »

pmoriarty wrote: post #50
fencepost wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From his standpoint pot is much worse than tobacco - pot doesn't have well-funded lobbyists, campaign contributors, etc.

I'm kind of surprised that the alcohol and tobacco industries don't lobby for legalization. They could potentially diversify in to marijuana manufacture and sale, and leverage their brands and experience in selling other recreational drugs. The pharmaceutical industry could similarly profit from manufacturing and selling medical marijuana.

If they tarnish themselves with yet another vice, the virtue zealots will descend on them. Too much risk. If they'll try to be heroes, sure, but I can't see it justified as a business decision. They seem big and powerful, but governments are more of both.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by nthcolumn »

DanBC wrote: post #99
nthcolumn wrote: post #98

They are making it 'more' illegal in the UK. You are drug tested if you are pulled over by their pigs and their companies do urine tests on every single employee regardless of role and fired. Unless you are an exec I bet and for something you could have done legally over a month ago stateside. My niece has Crohn's. From a lovely vibrant kid she has managed this pain with a smile and nearly died once or twice. She is…

>> their companies do urine tests on every single employee regardless of role and fired. https://www.gov.uk/monitoring-work-workers-rights/drug-testi... > 2. Drug testing > Employers have to have consent if they want to test for drugs. Usually this is when they have a full contractual health and safety policy, which should be in the contract or staff handbook. > Employers should: > limit testing to employees that nee…

Everyone (allegedly) got tested. My buddy got fired. He worked on an IT helpdesk. It is in the small print of his contract. Yes it is construction. UK gov is a ministry of information thing. It says a lot of things that companies here just ignore because they can. Wrongful dismissal laws here were neutered by the tories. More friends tell me it is happening in their companies too. I would show the contract /say more but I do not want to identify myself. But thanks for the downvotes I hope the view is nice from that gilded tower.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

#107

Post by draugadrotten »

sergers wrote: post #14

My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns. While nothing has cured, it's been the most effective with no known side effects. Plus it's cheaper than the meds she has been buying for years (spending out of pocket upwards $10k a year with $500 a pill just for flare ups even with medicare in Canada). She has been in hell for 30 years. They wanted to remove her small intestine ~20 years ago and she didn't w…

> My mom has benefited from cannabis to help treat chrohns.

I hope you are aware of this treatment http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/04/14/47422194...

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by Accacin »

nthcolumn wrote: post #102
jk563 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what you've seen to evidence this. I've worked for 4 companies (definitely not exec level); I've been pulled over a couple of times and not once been asked to do a drug/urine test.

Do I have to name the company I work for? We fired 5 people this year after company wide piss tests at seven sites. THis: http://think.direct.gov.uk/drug-driving.html

What's the problem? I'm completely for making all drug use legal but I don't want people driving when they've been taking drugs.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by throwaway7767 »

mikekchar wrote: post #77
zensavona wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem from the pharma companies point of view is that they have patents on a lot of their drugs, granting exclusivity on production. Marijuana is a plant which anyone can grow (and thus compete with them).

So is tobacco and while I've known the occasional person who grew it, it's pretty uncommon. I've also been surprised that tobacco companies don't get in on the legalise marijuana thing. Possibly they are suffering so much from bad press they don't think they could withstand the backlash...

As I understand it, growing tobacco takes a lot of time and effort. You need to bury it and store for some time before it gets good. If growing good quality tobacco was as easy as growing good quality marijuana, I suspect a lot more smokers would do so.

Re: Given Choice, Patients Will Choose Cannabis Over Prescribed Opioids

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Post by DanBC »

nthcolumn wrote: post #106
DanBC wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> their companies do urine tests on every single employee regardless of role and fired. https://www.gov.uk/monitoring-work-workers-rights/drug-testi... > 2. Drug testing > Employers have to have consent if they want to test for drugs. Usually this is when they have a full contractual health and safety policy, which should be in the contract or staff handbook. > Employers should: > limit testing to employees that nee…

Everyone (allegedly) got tested. My buddy got fired. He worked on an IT helpdesk. It is in the small print of his contract. Yes it is construction. UK gov is a ministry of information thing. It says a lot of things that companies here just ignore because they can. Wrongful dismissal laws here were neutered by the tories. More friends tell me it is happening in their companies too. I would show the contract /say more…

The TUC is not a government mouthpiece. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trades_Union_Congress
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