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Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by ulfw »

coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

myspace back in the day was a creative open canvas. You could put whatever random stuff on an HTML page and that was "you". Super unstructured, wild. Whatever.

Facebook came out and was a whole different thing. Facebook is a "database with a web (and later mobile app) frontend". It's all about data mining. Always has, always will be.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by southernplaces7 »

notsydonia wrote: post #163

It's also a huge danger as the system FB uses to tag and categorize photos is clearly flawed. example: Meta took a business page I ran that had over 150K followers offline because of a photo that violated their 'strict anti-pornography' etc etc policies. The picture was of a planet - Saturn - and it took weeks of the most god-awful to and fro with (mostly) bots to get them to revoke the ban - their argument was that…

One reads completely ridiculous cases like the one you describe, and shakes their head at those who preach the notion of creating ever more thickets of AI "powered" bots as a prima facie interface for our social services, customer support and other institutional interaction needs.

Idiocies like this are why AI should absolutely never (at least at any present level of technology) be an inescapable means of filtering how a human is responded to with any complaint. Truly, fuck the mentality of those who want to cram this tendency down the public's throat. Though it sadly won't happen thanks to sheer corporate growth inertia, companies that do push such things should be punished into oblivion by the market.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by arizen »

msgodel wrote: post #34
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

From the very beginning Facebook has been an AI wearing your friends as a skinsuit. People are only just starting to notice now.

This is a perfect illustration of misaligned AI.

The AI is given a proxy goal- 'maximize engagement'- which it achieves perfectly.

The user's goal - 'foster genuine connection' - is completely secondary.

The AI isn't malicious, it's just ruthlessly effective at optimizing for the wrong thing.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by p_l »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #173
notsydonia wrote: post #163

It's also a huge danger as the system FB uses to tag and categorize photos is clearly flawed. example: Meta took a business page I ran that had over 150K followers offline because of a photo that violated their 'strict anti-pornography' etc etc policies. The picture was of a planet - Saturn - and it took weeks of the most god-awful to and fro with (mostly) bots to get them to revoke the ban - their argument was that…

One reads completely ridiculous cases like the one you describe, and shakes their head at those who preach the notion of creating ever more thickets of AI "powered" bots as a prima facie interface for our social services, customer support and other institutional interaction needs. Idiocies like this are why AI should absolutely never (at least at any present level of technology) be an inescapable means of filtering h…

I worked on a project where one of the services was a model that decided whether to pay a medical bill.

Before you start justified screams of horror, let me explain the simple honesty trick that ensured proper ethics, though I guess at cost of profit unacceptable to some corporations:

The model could only decide between auto approving a repayment, or refer the bill to existing human staff. The entire idea was that the obvious cases will be auto approved, and anything more complex would follow the existing practice.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by bigfatkitten »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #144
bigfatkitten wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s some irony in the fact that the company which spawned React has also produced some of the world’s least usable React apps.

I doubt this is accidental. It’s purely done to push you to install apps.

It must be. They’re unusable even on a flagship handset.

This UX would get developers and product managers fired at any of the mid-tier tech companies at which I’ve worked, but apparently not at Meta.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by fivestones »

cornfieldlabs wrote: post #64
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

I am building one with a chronological feed and no public profiles. You need to already know someone to find them here. Check out the waitlist! https://waitlist-tx.pages.dev/ Edit: Here are some rough layout designs https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uLwnXDdUsC9hMZBa1ysR... It's intentionally simple

Are you really planning to not allow photos? I understand your reasoning for why this works in places a group chat wouldn’t, and I have group chats that I wish could do what your site does (share things to all my friends but we don’t all have to have all the same friends). But something I really appreciate about some of those group chats, especially smaller ones like a group of three, are the photos that friends post. Usually it’s not low effort, it’s real photos of their real lives. I like what you are doing a lot but the ability to post my photos to show to friends seems like a must for me.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by cornfieldlabs »

fivestones wrote: post #177
cornfieldlabs wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am building one with a chronological feed and no public profiles. You need to already know someone to find them here. Check out the waitlist! https://waitlist-tx.pages.dev/ Edit: Here are some rough layout designs https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uLwnXDdUsC9hMZBa1ysR... It's intentionally simple

Are you really planning to not allow photos? I understand your reasoning for why this works in places a group chat wouldn’t, and I have group chats that I wish could do what your site does (share things to all my friends but we don’t all have to have all the same friends). But something I really appreciate about some of those group chats, especially smaller ones like a group of three, are the photos that friends post…

Thanks for the response

Many early adopters have asked for photo support so we will be definitely supporting it in the next release.

We are just trying to figure out how to do it without it turning into a clout-chasing machine.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by rickdeckard »

nottorp wrote: post #179

Hmm I don't post photos privately on FB, and I maybe post one public photo every 2-3 years. What can I use to "poison" their training? I'll just send them privately to the friends that would consider that fun.

According to the article they want to upload and process "selected pictures from your camera roll" to make suggestions.

Now the definition may vary, but the camera roll is probably the list of images on your phone (which the app accesses when you pick an image to post), not a list of pictures you already posted privately...

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