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Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by fivestones »

smeej wrote: post #83
d_watt wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps naive to say, but I think there was the briefest moment where your status updates started with "is", feeds were chronological, and photos and links weren't pushed over text, that it was not an adversarial actor to one's wellbeing.

There was an even briefer moment where there was no such thing as status updates. You didn't have a "wall." The point wasn't to post about your own life. You could go leave public messages on other people's profiles. And you could poke them. And that was about it. I remember complaining like hell when the wall came out, that it was the beginning of the end. But this was before publicly recording your own thoughts som…

Unless I’m remembering wrong, posting a public message on someone else’s profile was posting on their wall. Or was it called something else before it was somebody’s wall?

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by oulipo »

coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

What I don't understand is how come they could make such a crappy product, almost everything is totally unusable both on the web and the app, it's pathetic to be a Meta engineer at that point

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by notsydonia »

It's also a huge danger as the system FB uses to tag and categorize photos is clearly flawed. example: Meta took a business page I ran that had over 150K followers offline because of a photo that violated their 'strict anti-pornography' etc etc policies. The picture was of a planet - Saturn - and it took weeks of the most god-awful to and fro with (mostly) bots to get them to revoke the ban - their argument was that the planet was 'flesh-toned' and that their A.I. could not tell that was not actually skin. The image was from NASA via a stock library and labelled as such.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by robocat »

Llamamoe wrote: post #146
absurdo wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d like to see a proper study on this that can be replicated before I jump on this train. And I’m a supporter of Jonathan “the kids are not alright” Haidt but let’s not kid ourselves his work is questionable throughout. It’s easy to dogpile. I’d like to see more proof, that’s all. “It’s obvious” doesn’t cut it for me. For one, we have major societal problems that are being exposed through these platforms, and the me…

Pop some terms into Google scholar and you'll find study after study after study both correlating social media use with worse mental health and demonstrating improvements from reducing use, in children and adults both. It varies by demographic, but yeah, social media are pretty universally awful for humans, and that's not just conjecture.

> correlating

That's the issue, and it is what you attempted to answer.

Causation is much harder to tease out from the noise.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

blindriver wrote: post #104
ants_everywhere wrote: post #6

This is why I requested family not to post pictures of my children on Facebook. They will get to decide what to do with their likenesses when they're older. It seemed cruel to let Facebook train a model on them from the time they were babies until they first start using social media in earnest.

There are children who don't even know if they want to be spies or undercover cops when they grow up that have already been identified by facial recognition. There will be an entire generation or more of spies and undercover agents that will have been identified before they had a chance to even contemplate their lives in that field.

Time to invest in facial plastic surgery

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by robocat »

xyst wrote: post #70
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

These days I treat Facebook as a marketplace for offloading lightly used items. Social media is dead to me.

Provide wildly different features: get everybody hooked on a different feature.

That's the trick with these social systems. They don't care about the features each person dislikes or doesn't use.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by fn-mote »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #135
jwr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some countries (notably Poland) Facebook is so burned into people's brains that you can't avoid this, and if you try, people and institutions will consider you a tinfoil hat weirdo and put pressure on you. Basically every kindergarten, primary school and high school will want to post pictures.

For real. I've been searching for a swimming school for our daughter in Poland. The one that looked promising had a contract with clause, giving the school full rights to post any pictures of her in the swimming pool to social media. Of course, parents are strictly prohibited from making ANY photos at all. Fuck them.

I hope you explained your feelings to an administrator. In the US, they would be completely clueless.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by rafaelmn »

msgodel wrote: post #34
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

From the very beginning Facebook has been an AI wearing your friends as a skinsuit. People are only just starting to notice now.

They didn't even have algorithmic feeds from beginning, so no.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by OtherShrezzing »

smeej wrote: post #83
d_watt wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps naive to say, but I think there was the briefest moment where your status updates started with "is", feeds were chronological, and photos and links weren't pushed over text, that it was not an adversarial actor to one's wellbeing.

There was an even briefer moment where there was no such thing as status updates. You didn't have a "wall." The point wasn't to post about your own life. You could go leave public messages on other people's profiles. And you could poke them. And that was about it. I remember complaining like hell when the wall came out, that it was the beginning of the end. But this was before publicly recording your own thoughts som…

The wall was released maybe 6 months after Facebook launched. I think it was still called “The Facebook” at the time.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by 7952 »

cornfieldlabs wrote: post #81
d_watt wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps naive to say, but I think there was the briefest moment where your status updates started with "is", feeds were chronological, and photos and links weren't pushed over text, that it was not an adversarial actor to one's wellbeing.

Couldn't have said it better. Nothing is a social network anymore. Everything is a content-consumer a platform now. People just want to scroll and scroll

My hunch is that instant messaging is slowly taking over that space. If you actually want to connect with people you can without needing much of a platform.
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