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Post by microtonal »

wkat4242 wrote: post #123
sneak wrote: post #85

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The way you prevent this is by deleting your facebook account and uninstalling the app.

Most people don't know that hidden Facebook services even come preinstalled on most Android phones and persist even when the main app is deleted :( And on Android they're not even the worst privacy player which is Google of course

Yeah, first thing to do on an Android phone is to use adb or something like the universal debloater to uninstall (besides the Facebook app) crap like: com.facebook.system, com.facebook.appmanager, and com.facebook.services.

Description of the latter from the uad list:

    Facebook Services is a tool that lets you manage different Facebook services automatically using your Android device. In particular, the tool focuses on searching for nearby shops and establishments based on your interests.
Why is this even always running on a pristine Samsung, etc. phone? Creepy.

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Post by cornfieldlabs »

vishalontheline wrote: post #129
cornfieldlabs wrote: post #103

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Thanks for the thoughts. But we are not interested turning into Facebook. You will only see posts of your friends and nothing more. I was spending 8+ hours a day doom scrolling which led to this idea. I just want to see what my friends want me to see and that's it.

Sure thing. Oh - maybe let people follow non-friends that they want to see public updates from, and make everyone follow you, so their walls won't be so empty on Day 1 ;).

Thanks :)

Few others have suggested the same. But it kind of defeats the purpose since the goal is to see updates from your close friends and have only private profils. Even though empty feed is not good, it's a feature in our platform. We want to see what users do when the feed is empty. Only real way to have a non empty feed without compromising the core idea is letting users invite friends.

I am thinking along those lines!

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bigfatkitten wrote: post #75
dzhiurgis wrote: post #63

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I try to use web versions of everything (fb, insta, x). If it’s shitty enough I’ll use it less. I.e. messenger.com is possible to use if you request desktop version, change font size and deal with all sort of zoom issues. Of course fb doesn’t support actual calls or notifications just because, so I don’t use it. Instagram is even sneakier - you can’t post stories via mobile to “close friends”, post videos or view the…

There’s some irony in the fact that the company which spawned React has also produced some of the world’s least usable React apps.

I doubt this is accidental. It’s purely done to push you to install apps.

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Post by kbrkbr »

cornfieldlabs wrote: post #81
d_watt wrote: post #40

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Perhaps naive to say, but I think there was the briefest moment where your status updates started with "is", feeds were chronological, and photos and links weren't pushed over text, that it was not an adversarial actor to one's wellbeing.

Couldn't have said it better. Nothing is a social network anymore. Everything is a content-consumer a platform now. People just want to scroll and scroll

People want to scroll and scroll, because social media make them miserable [1, 2, 3]

Perfect storm.

[1] https://time.com/4882372/social-media-facebook-instagram-unh... [2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-social-media-... [3] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/navigating-the-maze/...

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Post by Llamamoe »

absurdo wrote: post #109
DSingularity wrote: post #106

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Risks people’s mental health? I would say it is pretty obvious that FB and IG are bad for people. Some may have a natural mental fortitude and can survive it without instruction but for the rest of us we need some instructions on how to use these platforms without compromising key aspects of our mental health.

I’d like to see a proper study on this that can be replicated before I jump on this train. And I’m a supporter of Jonathan “the kids are not alright” Haidt but let’s not kid ourselves his work is questionable throughout. It’s easy to dogpile. I’d like to see more proof, that’s all. “It’s obvious” doesn’t cut it for me. For one, we have major societal problems that are being exposed through these platforms, and the me…

Pop some terms into Google scholar and you'll find study after study after study both correlating social media use with worse mental health and demonstrating improvements from reducing use, in children and adults both.

It varies by demographic, but yeah, social media are pretty universally awful for humans, and that's not just conjecture.

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Post by safety1st »

d_watt wrote: post #40
msgodel wrote: post #34

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From the very beginning Facebook has been an AI wearing your friends as a skinsuit. People are only just starting to notice now.

Perhaps naive to say, but I think there was the briefest moment where your status updates started with "is", feeds were chronological, and photos and links weren't pushed over text, that it was not an adversarial actor to one's wellbeing.

I mean let's be clear on the history and not romanticize anything, Zuck created Facebook pretty much so he could spy on college girls. He denies this of course, but it all started with his Facemash site for ranking the girls, and then we get to the early Facebook era and there's his quote about the "4,000 dumbfucks trusting him with their photos" etc.

There is no benevolent original version of FB. It was a toy made by a college nerd who wanted to siphon data about chicks. It was more user friendly back then because he didn't have a monopoly yet. Now it has expanded to siphoning data from the entire human race and because they're powerful they can be bigger bullies about it. Zuck has kind of indirectly apologized for being a creeper during his college years. But the behavior of his company hasn't changed.

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Post by bojan »

microtonal wrote: post #137
jwr wrote: post #14

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In some countries (notably Poland) Facebook is so burned into people's brains that you can't avoid this, and if you try, people and institutions will consider you a tinfoil hat weirdo and put pressure on you. Basically every kindergarten, primary school and high school will want to post pictures.

Basically every kindergarten, primary school and high school will want to post pictures. Here (NL) we get a form at the beginning of each school year to mark which uses of photos we find acceptable. E.g. we allow photos in the school portal (which is private and not owned by big tech), but not on Facebook, etc. It's the way it should be done, because there is not much burden on the parents. If the school also wants t…

Our (NL) elementary school places pictures of the fun activities they do with kids on Instagram, but they blur children's faces, resulting in the photos straight out of the uncanny valley.

I do wonder also if the blur effect they use is one of those that can easily be reversed. I need to check that one of these days.

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Post by wkat4242 »

strogonoff wrote: post #139
wkat4242 wrote: post #122

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I like this poetic way of putting it, though I don't agree with the message. In Holland we have a saying, what do you bring it your house is burning down? And most people said my photos. This was before the digital age and cloud obviously. We take photos because we care. Stuffing them into everyone else's face has also been a thing at birthday parties but outside that not so much.

Photography stealing someone’s soul is easy to discount as an obvious misconception, but if you think of “soul” as a shortcut metaphor for some difficult to describe sociopsychological phenomena then there is some food for thought in it. First, for most of us in daily life, once you know you are being photographed you exit any context you were in and enter the new “I am being photographed” context. In some important…

> First, for most of us in daily life, once you know you are being photographed you exit any context you were in and enter the new “I am being photographed” context. In some important way, you are stolen from the world around you for a period of time. Your body is still present, but you might be thinking about how this all would look at any later time. This does not apply when photography is specifically arranged by you (common in analog era), or if you are unaware of being a subject photographed (but there may be other concerns about that[0]).

True, this is something that bothers me a lot too. But especially GenZ has a problem with that (surprising because they grew up with ubiquitous photography) and I see more and more parties that tape off phone cams. They are indeed wonderful.

I don't agree this doesn't apply when it is arranged though. For me that has always been awkward.

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Post by cornfieldlabs »

figassis wrote: post #134
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

Would a friends and staying in touch social network even succeed today?

I am trying to find out with the one I am building :)

I wonder how many people can give up effortless doomscrolling to see a limited length chronological feed made up of their friends' posts

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