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Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Re: Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths

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Strange question but how does this affect life insurance? Typically a suicide would not be covered.

Wondering this myself, insurance in the states already tries to weasel out of every single charge if possible.

Does the ill person have a premium/annual plan?

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M. Scott Peck wrote a book about euthanasia long ago. I wonder if people still read Peck. “Denial of the soul,” that was the title. The foundational belief for euthanasia must be that there is no soul.

That sounds like a pretty wild leap of faith to me.

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#173

"For the first time, the report delved into race and ethnic data of those who died by euthanasia. Around 96% of recipients identified as white people, who account for about 70% of Canada's population. It is unclear what caused this disparity." Any good hypothesis about this?

Perhaps they tend to be richer?

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After watching my father die with COPD, it because obvious that euthanasia happens in the US all the time. He opted out of lung-reduction surgery and was ready to die. So the hospital withheld IV hydration and provided a morphine drip and he was gone in 36 hours. How long can one live without water, a few days max? So that's what killed him. My sister-in-law who's a physician told me that's how it's typically done. I…

It's ethically childish that we use roundabout measures like that instead of just putting someone out of their misery overtly.

It creates a drawn out process where the family has to wait around until they pass at some unknown point instead of coming together in one moment, making peace, saying their farewell, and witnessing the finality together.

It took my girlfriend's vegetative mother a week to die as she struggled to breathe that whole time, put on just enough morphine to supposedly feel no pain and not a drop more. By the time she finally croaked, most of the family that had shown up to see her out had left because nobody has time to wait around days or weeks for death to happen. And it was emotional hell for her two daughters.

They could've just given her a nice dose of morphine, but our ethics are too infantile. Instead we do make-believe.

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Fifteen years ago, flying into Vancouver, a local told me charities would give homeless people one-way bus tickets there from colder regions of Canada to prevent winter deaths. No return tickets in spring. Calls into question what we consider "charitable" when the solution is just moving vulnerable people elsewhere. Worrying parallel: will euthanasia become another "solution" for those who can't afford proper care an…

if we killed all the homeless people, would our social problems be over? Sick thought. I know. But a part of me blindly believes that our problems will become worse.

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Fifteen years ago, flying into Vancouver, a local told me charities would give homeless people one-way bus tickets there from colder regions of Canada to prevent winter deaths. No return tickets in spring. Calls into question what we consider "charitable" when the solution is just moving vulnerable people elsewhere. Worrying parallel: will euthanasia become another "solution" for those who can't afford proper care an…

It's charitable. Cold snaps in Prairies can pretty easily hit -35, dropping down to -55 with windchill. You'll get frostbite on exposed skin in 2 minutes at those temperatures. Most homeless will either take stay in one of the shelters available in the cities, or sneak onto the many freight trains heading towards the cities with milder climates when it starts getting cold. They'll head back when it starts to warm up…

Charitable! Hah.

The process was operated more as a "don't provide shelters for these lazy bums, send them elsewhere."

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2001/12/can-d22.html

"In a 16-month period in 1993-94, the province’s welfare rolls were cut almost in half. One tactic used was to offer recipients a one-way bus ticket to leave Alberta."

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#177

bad angle shot here: >Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths >While the number of assisted deaths in Canada is growing, the country still falls behind the Netherlands, where euthanasia accounted for around 5% of total deaths last year. 1/20 != 5% ???

Perhaps it's something like 4.8% in Canada and something like 5.1% in the Netherlands? But yeah, that sentence doesn't make much sense.

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M. Scott Peck wrote a book about euthanasia long ago. I wonder if people still read Peck. “Denial of the soul,” that was the title. The foundational belief for euthanasia must be that there is no soul.

I hope the book makes a better argument than you present here for that claim, which on its face makes nothing obviously resembling sense.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The standard for that is very loose. There's no requirement that the death be imminent. Iirc it basically means the condition could kill you, at some point. This even applies if treatment would prevent death. It's whether the condition is capable of killing.

With everything medical it is complicated. If someone is 85 and gets a theoretically treatable form of cancer they're looking at months or years of grueling chemotherapy and surgeries to get at most few more years of life. I would not blame anybody for skipping treatment or even getting euthanasia to avoid the really sucky part where the cancer is killing you painfully, especially if their life partner has already pa…

When my mom had cancer I told her she better do everything she could to beat it (she was a super hippie no chemicals person). I remember she was taking some horrible toxic chemo pill that made her miserable (like even her, the person taking the pill, had to handle it with gloves taking it out of the bottle), and I was like mom, stop taking it if it makes you miserable. She broke into tears and was suddenly so grateful to me for giving her permission to stop taking it. I hadn't realized she was putting herself through hell because of what I had asked of her.

Friggen moms man. (╥﹏╥)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reality is much messier than "There are people and their bodies and their wishes." There are whole categories of people who we consider not well enough to make good choices about their bodies and lives, for a variety of reasons Children are not emotionally mature or responsible enough to make such choices Mentally ill people are sometimes in an altered state of mind where they are not making good decisions that are c…

The fun part of the mentally-ill categorization is that being mentally ill also has a tendency to lead to poverty and homelessness which in turn will increase the likelihood that someone will opt for MAID but could be solved by other social means.

Is that actually true? Are people who choose MAID poorer than the average?

The article suggests that they are whiter than the average Canadian. Make of that what you will.

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