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Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by Tade0 »

> and employers don't seem desperate.

Hiring follows predictable patterns throughout the year, namely the last month of the quarter is usually relatively hot.

It's November now, so there's still ample time to fulfill recruitment KPIs. My experience is that hiring only picks up speed come mid-December, when there's simply fewer candidates than normally due to Christmas.

That being said this September, which usually burns through the backlog from the summer vacation season, was unusually slow.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by cableshaft »

_ed7m wrote: post #30

It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…

Is this first job in the industry or mid-senior level? I don't think I've ever sent 200 applications in any of my job searches. Last time I didn't send any; I just flicked the switch on LinkedIn and Hired and had almost 60 recruiters reach out to me (followed up with about 18, had initial interviews with about 8 companies, ended up with 4 late stage interviews and 2 offers).

And I wouldn't consider myself an amazing developer (I do alright, but I'm not 10x) or have an amazing portfolio and I don't have a FAANG on my resume, just a large corporation that no one has heard of, a couple medium-sized companies, and several smaller companies / failed startups.

Might be a bit different now, this was back in June/July 2021.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by jollyllama »

How long have you been at it? Recruiting at non-FAANG employers works differently. The father you get from FAANG or startups, the less urgency you will find on the part of your prospective employers. Don't let this discourage you. Have you had to job search much before? I've found it's often a months long process. You might not be at the beginning, but at the middle of it.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by HDThoreaun »

anon50118810 wrote: post #129
capableweb wrote: post #71

> My personal goal is at least 100 applications before seriously considering pivoting to something else. I don't think I have especially cool resume or anything, nor do I have extremely many years in the industry as well, but I'd never consider applying for 100 different companies. I don't even know deeply about 100 companies I think, which is something I learn about a company before even considering applying to it.…

No one knows deeply about 100 companies, especially 100 random companies scattered around the U.S. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do.

Shotgunning resumes does not work. You need to tailor each application to the employer. Most importantly that means finding someone at the company who will vouch for you.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by John23832 »

frontman1988 wrote: post #123
John23832 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no proof of this. Don't throw that bait out there with nothing to back it up.

In University recruitments in India, a lot of companies like Adobe only hire females. Like 10 people selected from a university with 70-80% male students and yet all 10 selected are women.

That has nothing to do with what has been presented here.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by kube-system »

frontman1988 wrote: post #126
jimbob45 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would they catch you? It's very possible to be of African descent and have white skin. Are they going to DNA test you?

Does it also work if you say you identify as a female even though you are a male biologically?

Gender identity is frequently visible. I don't think many people are going to fraudulently represent their gender identity for a misguided chance at a job.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by anon50118810 »

elforce002 wrote: post #47

This is anecdotal but if you can, create a LinkedIn account and put your resume there. That's the only good thing about posting your resume there. I think the market will correct itself in Q2(2023).

OP here. A LinkedIn profile is essential, not only to have in general but also because most applications ask for it. However the really irreplaceable thing is having visible connections to people at past or current jobs. I feel like this shows you're an actual person who has worked at the places you say you've worked at and aren't just making things up on your resume. Maybe that's just me, though, because no one else seems to hype up that part of it.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by rsj_hn »

_ed7m wrote: post #30

It took me 200 applications to land my job, and I think the rest of everyone I know who’s a decent programmer had similar situations. The bottom line is that everyone has employment and only had to move for it if they’re taking a high (120k+ TC for entry level) paying position. This is “falling of trees” compared to any other industry. Being able to land a middle class job directly in the field of your education with…

Per capita median income is what you get when you include retirees, teenagers, those who do not work at all (they will still have some income from welfare/disability/gifts), and other part time workers. It's not a good measure of average employment earnings in an economy in which labor force participation is only 61%.

What you should look at is median earnings of full time workers, which is about $1000 per week, or $52K per year. This does not include benefits - in the U.S. things like healthcare are primarily funded by the employer and retirement is roughly half funded via social security matching contributions, so total compensation would be about 70K/year.

https://www.bls.gov/charts/usual-weekly-earnings/usual-weekl...

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by jollyllama »

devsatish wrote: post #5

1) Tail end of the year - its hard to get full time roles , The hiring definitely picks up after Jan 2nd week or so. 2) Try consulting/contracting - That space is still brimming w hiring. Much faster on-boarding /hiring.

Yes. Hiring processes slow greatly this time of year. It's always been that way.

Re: Tell HN: Employers are not desperate to hire developers

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Post by ghaff »

bityard wrote: post #137
ravenstine wrote: post #93

Contrasting with even just a year ago, the job market is in a lackluster state the way I see it. Don't be gaslit by all the people insisting that it's still a gold rush. It's not that there aren't jobs out there, but many companies right now are either laying off employees, under hiring freezes, or simply aren't that serious about hiring besides through nepotism. Since I got started as a software developer full time…

> To add to your point about resumes, people need to not underestimate the power of networking. Networking has been the key factor to my advancement for the last 3 jobs. It's just the way things are. It's hard to overstate the importance of this. Without networking, your chances of landing the kind of job you _really_ want are vanishingly close to zero. Every single one of my civilian jobs has come about either throu…

100%. In school I did the usual on-campus interviews and blasting out resumes. However, the three jobs I've had since I didn't even apply for. I just sent emails to people I knew. (And, in one case, the job description was written for me.) Obviously your mileage will vary with this sort of thing, but it's my personal experience.
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