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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Why would workers from Eastern Europe not have passports? "Eastern European" typically means EU-member states, with Ukraine being the exception even before the war (within reasonable distance, populous enough for recruiters to go to). EU-citizens don't need a residency permit, and they have access to the social system in Germany. They're often not informed about their rights and that should be improved, but "they end…

This story doesn't pass the smell test. Appears OP is from the netherlands, not a friendly country towards east europe, but I still don't see how people can end up on the streets in a country where by law they have equal rights (or is very cheap to return to home countries, and sue the abusive employer).

Easy. Here are the steps to follow:

1. Don't speak any language other than your own, especially not the one spoken in the country you are planning to work in.

2. Get your work and accommodation organized by the same company or person, trust him when he says that you need to pay X amount upfront for the accommodation, but you will get it back eventually.

3. Give your passport to the organizing company or person, so you won't accidentally lose it (if you have a passport at all - moving within the EU does not require one).

4. Do not request a contract, or sign it without understanding what is in it (because it is not in a language you understand).

5. Be in such a desperate financial situation that you cannot just travel anytime you want, let alone find another accommodation.

6. Even if the circumstances are troubling (living in a small apartment with 10 other people, working and not being paid after a month etc), do not go to the police, partly because you don't speak the language, partly because you don't know what rights you have, partly because they can kick you out of your job and accommodation if you complain.

7. For younger girls the steps are a bit different, and much more evil. Let's not get into that.

In a way, the EU being a single job market makes these kinds of things even easier - no real control of who enters a country, who lives where etc. In theory, you must register your change of address, social security etc. In practice, the system is easy to exploit.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…

> So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze [...] Why do they go from hiring to firing in the blink of an eye? They did have a hiring freeze, and didn't really go from hiring to firing in the blink of an eye: * In May they froze hiring for engineers and low-level data scientists. * In July they announced that…

It probably would have been cheaper and less effort to make sure the hiring freeze actually properly works as intended - rather than interviewing, hiring, relocating and firing someone (including relocation and severance packages) for just two days of work.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

> so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency Reading them, so am I. There is no sign of empathy: that understanding of another individual, the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes, that is fundamental to a healthy society and (IMO) personal integrity. I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay.…

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

I had a coworker in a similar situation.

He had just immigrated with his family from Asia for a job, and soon after the startup we were at fired everyone and shut down.

I took it easy before finding a job but he had to literally accept the 1st offer he got (which was bad) or he would have probably needed to move back.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

#176

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

as someone on visa and survived the layoffs and who internally inquired on how the layoff logistics worked for employees on work visas. The answer is, the layoff is only effective 8 weeks from nov 9 , so something like Jan 10th, after which the countdown to find the new job begins (60 days for US, not sure about canadian work visa) So its not as bad as it sounds or portrayed by parent comment.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I do agree, but I guess I'm not sure what the solution is here? Large layoffs in large orgs are generally done at a team level rather than an individual level. So presumably this individual's entire team no longer exists. So out of respect for them relocating do you then try to reposition them in the company somehow? And what about all the people who didn't relocate but may have recently left stable job for an opport…

The solution is right there in OPs post: “give them three months on the books to find somewhere else that don't count against their visa. It will give them a chance to get settled and go on interviews.” Thats it. HR knows who is working on visa. Inform them of the situation, give them 3 months, take away all their accesses and let them spend the 3 months to look for a new job. Meta makes a bazillion USD pr year. Even…

Isn't this literally what's happening? (Except it's 4 months, not 3?)

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I mean your comments talk about how "everyone has it, why is this particular story news". Which makes it sound like you don't get the point of this specific story existing (sorry for poor grammar/wording).

The line of thought I am at least trying to present here is that we should have been talking about stories like this and making them well known that have been happening throughout the industry well before hitting MANGA companies.

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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> so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency Reading them, so am I. There is no sign of empathy: that understanding of another individual, the ability to put oneself in someone else's shoes, that is fundamental to a healthy society and (IMO) personal integrity. I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay.…

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

This is crazy entitlement.

Three months salary in a tech job is more than most people make in a year.

If you are moving overseas, maybe wait before selling all your stuff until you pass probation. This idea that you should be guaranteed three months is so backwards. You are on trial.

Tell me anyone’s advice that goes “we should fire slow, hire fast”.

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