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1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by rsj_hn »

danShumway wrote: post #165
rsj_hn wrote: post #163

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> Similarly, Netflix can look at feedback from its customers and other clients Yes. And I got news for you -- the rest of the world thinks these Netflix protestors are crazy, power hungry authoritarians. This special is popular, as is Chapelle. > it can look at feedback from its workers, In terms of what netflix shows, workers are not more privileged than any other netflix customer, unless they are the ones hired by…

> But if you accepted a job as release engineer, then no, you don't get to decide which comedians Netflix shows just because you are a release engineer for Netflix. Do the workers get to decide whether they work for Netflix? If, theoretically, they threatened to stop working, would that fall within the bounds of their freedom of association under the 1st Amendment?

They can leave, sure. I don't think they have a right to "threaten" anyone, and they certainly don't have a right to strike, not being in a union or even trying to form a union.

They could however form a union first and demand a labor contract in which every Netflix employee has the right to veto content shown on Netflix. Then they could go on strike if the union fails to agree on a contract, saying that this "right to deplatform" is a non-negotiable demand.

That is the equivalent of what is going on here, which should explain why the rest of the world thinks this is a terrible idea. Anyways, good luck with that.

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Post by dang »

elgernon wrote: post #162
cm2012 wrote: post #90

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I've seen this happen IRL recently, where a company decided against hiring someone due a history of strongly opinionated employee activism.

I would never hire someone with public activism record. In fact I'd rather hire someone with prior criminal record, as they actually have a chance to recover.

Would you please stop creating accounts that use HN primarily for ideological battle? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. As you know, we ban such accounts regardless of what they're for or against. I've banned this one.

If you want to use HN as intended—for intellectual curiosity—then you're welcome, but ideological agendas are the opposite of that, irrespective of which ideology.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by emerged »

ekianjo wrote: post #68
arthurcolle wrote: post #2

If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. I feel like the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up - maybe don't watch content that sets you off so easily? Just like everyone has had to do since.. the invention of television and other broadcast media?

> e the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up AS long as their tactics keep working (and they do since everybody is submitting to their will), I don't see that changing.

Makes me wonder if there are any objective metrics whether the tactics are working more or less as time marches on. I’d imagine the contagion of woke continues to spread like any other, but by now most of us have been exposed and developed antibodies.

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Post by birthday »

empthought wrote: post #121
bawolff wrote: post #114

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I don't support internet mobs - they generally seem to hurt innocent people (or hurt the guilty in excess of what they deserve) - but i don't see those two as mutually exclusive. Presumably the twitter mob is mad (rightly or wrongly - i havent watched the special) about transphobia by Dave in general. It is entirely possible that Dave could be a great friend to Daphne and be transphobic at the same time. You can be f…

Just because you disagree with someone — even about something as fundamental as the nature of their personal identity —doesn’t mean you’re bigoted or “phobic.” My mom believes she has an immortal soul that is redeemed by Jesus Christ whose body and blood are present in the Eucharist. I disagree. Does this make me a soulphobe who hates Catholics?

It doesn't, but the social virus that is wokeism labels you as phobic and will make you PAY for being one.

Wokeness is a nasty social virus that has infected the USA, and it slowly but surely is causing the USA to implode.

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Post by seoulmetro »

nimbius wrote: post #18

Unpopular opinion on hn here but Dave's trans skit hinges on his audience not knowing enough about trans people for him to get away with creative character assassination. He openly condemns their argument against Rowling as goal-posting make believe and in doing so lends his approval to her documented and open transphobia. If anything it should be an indictment of how he treats his audience in 2021. There are plenty…

It's okay to be trans-phobic. It's not okay to attack a person because they are trans. Huge differences.

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Post by HKH2 »

rsj_hn wrote: post #123
bawolff wrote: post #105

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Given the current job market and political climate in tech, i find it hard to believe that a high skill employee would be passed over because they attended a pro-trans protest/walk-stoppage along with thousand other people. I don't think most people would even consider such a person to be an activist employee. The person who leaked confidential data - yes, i could see that being a red flag in hiring.

It's really tough to find good people, but for 500K FAANG jobs, there's still a long line of applicants. I don't think we've reached the state (yet) where firms are going to be keeping blacklists of activists. But we're certainly heading in that direction as techies try to force employers into more extreme stances. Dave Chappelle is a popular guy with broad mainstream appeal, and it's incredibly arrogant for Netflix…

The same goes for Spotify employees and Joe Rogan.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Post by danShumway »

rsj_hn wrote: post #171
danShumway wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But if you accepted a job as release engineer, then no, you don't get to decide which comedians Netflix shows just because you are a release engineer for Netflix. Do the workers get to decide whether they work for Netflix? If, theoretically, they threatened to stop working, would that fall within the bounds of their freedom of association under the 1st Amendment?

They can leave, sure. I don't think they have a right to "threaten" anyone, and they certainly don't have a right to strike, not being in a union or even trying to form a union. They could however form a union first and demand a labor contract in which every Netflix employee has the right to veto content shown on Netflix. Then they could go on strike if the union fails to agree on a contract, saying that this "right…

> I don't think they have a right to "threaten" anyone

Of course they do. As a worker, I have a right to threaten to quit during a negotiation process. As a consumer, I have a right to threaten to cancel a subscription or stop buying a product. I'm not sure where anyone would get the idea that those kinds of actions aren't allowed in a free market.

> and they certainly don't have a right to strike, not being in a union or even trying to form a union.

I also really don't understand what's meant by "right to strike" here. I'm not aware of any strike laws in the US that ban employees of entertainment companies from striking. Without a union, Netflix workers can't call an official strike, but they can still legally refuse to work, and Netflix can respond as it sees fit.

If they don't have a right to do what they're doing, then Netflix can try pressing legal charges against them or at the least can fire them.

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