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Even the best electron apps, suck as macOS (or windows or linux) citizens. There are little things that don't just work properly.
I'll recommend Elpass as a much, much better alternative. Completely native to Mac and iOS, and sync via iCloud. https://elpass.app
Even if you're mostly Apple today, it seems prudent to have some sort of exit strategy that doesn't involve massive switching costs.
I use a variety of platforms. I'm happy 1password switched to Electron; it means I have a Linux version that works super well. It even integrates with face recognition through Howdy.
By the way, I also think subscription models are superior to buy-once. They align incentives for customers and developers better -- they got a bad rap thanks to Adobe charging silly amounts of money, but 1password isn't doing that.
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Highly recommend trying BitWarden! I'm a paying user of it myself. It also has export of data and full self-hosted options as well. The browser plugins work amazingly well. The phone app is...i would say 75-80%. I've had trouble sometimes getting it to popup the "auto-fill" but otherwise it works very slick (supporting biometric unlock too).
FWIW, my experience has been that Bitwarden's autofill is pretty bad compared to other password managers (I recently migrated from Lastpass, and used 1password in the past). I end up having to manually copy and paste a lot of passwords because the browser extension can't find the right fields.
I'll recommend Elpass as a much, much better alternative. Completely native to Mac and iOS, and sync via iCloud. https://elpass.app
Trackers in a password manager [1]? No thanks. [1]: https://elpass.app/privacy-policy
Yes, Electron has a bad wrap. In the early days it was a horrific ram hog and even today it still can be for certain poorly optimized apps. But any company today that spends a little time optimizing their application ends up reasonably performant and using reasonable system resources. At the end of the day, It's a lot of investment to build an app native for macos, linux and windows. Plus the web. Plus CLI. Plus mult…
Exactly. I vastly prefer this than the slight (if any) performance advantage with native apps, and I've used plenty of slow native apps too. Bad code is bad code and it's strange how much dogmatic hate Electron gets on HN.
1Password and the Tower git client were somewhat similar: They started on native Mac first and years later introduced a native Windows version that lacked behind in features and polish. 1Password for Windows slowly(!) caught up, and even after all this investment, they decided that going for a web-based UI across all desktop OSes is the better solution. Tower did not change this: Their Windows version is still lackin…
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Was the windows app native? I haven't used to to often, but when I did (end of 2020) it felt fairly clunky. I think the whole idea behind Electron is that they've also put out a native Linux version. Which is much, much better than having to run an extension in the browser, and gets some system integration (unlock with yubikey). From the screenshots, it would seem the Mac version is the same as the Linux version (cur…
You mean a Linux desktop app. Electron apps aren't native. 1Password could afford a native Linux version.
Yes.
> 1Password could afford a native Linux version.
Especially since the "core" is written in a different language anyway, which can be common across platforms.
I've never really done actual GUI development, but the 1Password GUI is fairly limited in what you can do. It's basically a list you can filter and a bunch of text fields. Yeah, it shows an animated countdown on the OTP field, which consumes a ton of CPU. Can't say I see a lot of value in that. [0]
My point is that to someone whose job it is code, it shouldn't take to long to do a similar thing in QT / GTK. But I guess they'd still need more people than doing just Electron.
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[0] When the first versions came out on Linux, there was actually an FAQ entry about unusually high CPU usage. The solution given was to switch to a login without OTP or to close the main window.
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In addition to the bait and switch comment, 1Password is an always-running app. Congrats, they just decided 1500MB of your ram is theirs now.
This is based on what? Poorly written apps like Slack? I'm so surprised how people make blanket statements like this. I'll wait and see how performance is affected by the change before making such uninformed judgements
Also - they’ve publically states the new app was built using technologies none of their employees have used before so I don’t expect them to build an electron app better than anyone else.
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Highly recommend trying BitWarden! I'm a paying user of it myself. It also has export of data and full self-hosted options as well. The browser plugins work amazingly well. The phone app is...i would say 75-80%. I've had trouble sometimes getting it to popup the "auto-fill" but otherwise it works very slick (supporting biometric unlock too).
Does Bitwarden's desktop application use Electron? Edit: Okay, it sounds like from the comments, it does use Electron. Then my followup question is, if people are upset with 1Password moving in this direction, then Bitwarden would not be a good alternative, no?