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Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by lazyjones »

gls2ro wrote: post #124
sharken wrote: post #122

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Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. The travel pass is a horrible idea, that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. That should not be the european way.

What should be the european way? I ask this as I understand your concern about politics forcing personal decisions, yet I am not finding a pragmatic workable solution to the current crisis.

The European way should be to treat the EU as one country and stop restricting movement. We've had Schengen for a long time, which meant no border checks whatsoever on most borders (we were driving through without even stopping or slowing down most of the time). With this vaccine passport, Schengen is pretty much history and that removes one of the main liberties the EU was offering.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

chrisco255 wrote: post #128
azinman2 wrote: post #125

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Why not require vaccination?

Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

> a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision

Agree, let's not be reckless–restricting movement for public health only has over seven hundred years of precedent [1].

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/historyquarantine.html

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by chrisco255 »

sjf wrote: post #152
chrisco255 wrote: post #128

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Liberty. It's a terrible a precedent to restrict freedom of movement on a forced personal health decision. It's basically subverting your body to the state.

I am going to assume you are American by the reference to liberty. Every US immigrant is /already/ required to have eight different vaccinations and a negative TB test. They quite literally take your blood before you can become a resident. https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccin...

Yes, but as I understand it, the EU purports to be a proponent of human rights as well.

Immigration to the U.S. is of course, a regulated activity. They can make you take a physical, pay a fee, inspect your background, call your mom and make sure you're a good person, etc, before accepting you as an immigrant. Sure. There's no limits to that, because there's no U.S. Constitutional protection for non-U.S. citizens and immigration can be stopped altogether if desired (assuming it's enforced).

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by murkt »

aww_dang wrote: post #165
murkt wrote: post #161

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Covid PCR tests check for specific viral RNA. They’re not sequencing human DNA.

The potential exists for DNA harvesting. Dismissing it as impossible seems inaccurate. >(CBS) — The largest biotech firm in the world wasted no time in offering to build and run COVID testing labs in Washington, contacting its governor right after the first major COVID outbreak in the U.S. occurred there. The Chinese company, the BGI Group, made the same offer to at least five other states, including New York and Cal…

I haven’t opened your first link, second looks like pure conspiracy theories. Covid, China, Bill Gates, Epstein!!11

If you’re afraid of getting your DNA sequenced while doing PCR test, please read up on the process of test, equipment, materials and costs involved.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by garmaine »

_ph_ wrote: post #163
novaRom wrote: post #155

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Do labs store collected DNA results of PCR? I wonder if a database of DNA of millions of people will emerge on black market one day.

PCR tests don't analyze your DNA. They are only testing for the presence of some characteristic virus DNA segments. Other than showing your infection status, no information is obtained and consequently cannot be stored.

The swab has plenty of the patient's DNA. I interpreted the comment you're replying to as wondering if the original swabs are physically kept.

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Post by M4v3R »

sharken wrote: post #136
Jommi wrote: post #130

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Yeah just like anyone should be able to travel or live in Asian countries without the proper vaccines. Jeez.

Are you talking about Covid vaccines ?

No, for years it was already required that you vaccinate against certain diseases if you want to visit some countries. It’s not a novel idea. It’s just common sense.

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Post by unilynx »

radu_floricica wrote: post #160
Cederfjard wrote: post #139

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> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

I agree with your points, but I'd really really like to avoid giving the impression of... glee? "Look at those unwashed unvaccinated Trump supporters, so good they'll be forced to do things our ways now!". I'm not saying you're doing it, I'm just piggybacking on your comment. I'm pretty much a high-modernist when it comes to vaccines - I think that having governments build sewage and create vaccines go into the same…

This subthread started about the EU. What does Trump have to do with this?

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by refactor_master »

radu_floricica wrote: post #160
Cederfjard wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Thus limiting those that are not vaccinated and making it difficult to move freely for them. > ... that effectively will force many to be vaccinated. Yup, that’s the point. No man is an island. You already can’t walk around doing literally whatever you want just because it’s your body you’re doing it with. You depend on other people, and other people depend on you (or at least can’t avoid intermingling with you, es…

I agree with your points, but I'd really really like to avoid giving the impression of... glee? "Look at those unwashed unvaccinated Trump supporters, so good they'll be forced to do things our ways now!". I'm not saying you're doing it, I'm just piggybacking on your comment. I'm pretty much a high-modernist when it comes to vaccines - I think that having governments build sewage and create vaccines go into the same…

I completely disagree. As we say with code, there’s freedom in restrictions. I, for example, don’t ever have to worry about my safety because the “freedom” of others have been curtailed on several points, and I deeply appreciate that. There’s no inherently moral good in limitless freedom. Especially because humans are far from rational agents that can reasonably act without boundaries.

If you don’t want to be vaccinated or pay your taxes, you are, on some level, a danger to society.

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by yannikyeo »

jader201 wrote: post #148
breck wrote: post #76

Israel has been tracking a cohort of 150,000 and the reinfection rate looks to be on the order of 1 in 1,000. > https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.06.21253051v...

Is that within the margin of error for false positive tests? IOW, maybe the 1 in 1000 didn’t actually have COVID the first/second time?

Reinfection is not rare, Singapore has detected 26 cases of reinfection so far: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/parliament-2... Also note worthy: recent infections in Singapore includes "56 cases involving people who were infected despite being fully vaccinated"

Re: Lasting immunity found after recovery from Covid-19

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Post by virgilp »

T-hawk wrote: post #154
stormbrew wrote: post #151

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If anyone is scared of getting vaccinated due to nonsense conspiracy theories, they can keep themselves at home forever, they don't get to force a deadly disease on others.

It's not deadly to the vaccinated. That's the whole point of the vaccines. Or are you arguing that the vaccines don't work?

> If those 100 people are still worried about that, they can choose to keep themselves locked away forever.

You must be trolling, no way you're so self-centered.

"I like to drive with 200km/h through cities, those who don't like it or are scared of my driving can stay home"

"I like to take my aggressive pitbull for a walk without a leash, if you don't like it you can stay home"

"I like to play with guns, if you don't like me handling guns in public you can stay home"

It's all recklessness, and of course not acceptable. You know what's the better solution for those 100 vaccinated people? To force you to stay at home. Because they're 100, and you're 1. It's not the whole world that needs to adapt to you, it's the other way around.

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