As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by catmistake » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:43 AM UTC

curryst wrote: post #160

throwaway33339 wrote: post #74

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Leaving aside the usual quip about HN being an endless source of entertainment when it comes to attempting to comprehend basic concepts in biology that they weren't taught in high school, I'm wondering about something. What's with the propensity for the typical HNer, and the tech demographic in general, to subscribe to the whole alpha/beta charade in the first place? Your average programmer isn't usually a bodybuilde…

I've always figured it was an ego-preservation mechanism. Subscribers to this belief don't see themselves as successful or attractive, but being successful or attractive is a major part of their sense of self-worth. The emotionally healthy response would be to address why they don't see themselves as attractive or successful, or maybe to question whether those make sense as part of their self worth. Some people can't…

How far can one take the GP's hasty generalizations straw man ad hominem argument? Well, pretty far, I guess. Fallacy hat trick! There sure is no accounting for logic at HN. Wow. When you can't speak to the argument, introduce a new topic and attack the man, but then, of course, lose the argument.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by mam2 » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:24 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

> makes it impossible for casual audiences to determine who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.

This is quite condescending..

Also people fail to understand that the appeak of extreme right has never been a matter of facts.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by BTCOG » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

doopy1 wrote: post #72

I like the JRE podcast a lot, but I come for the guests. Joe Rogan is an entertainer and taking what he says on the podcast as authoritative "news" is poor judgement.

It is a talk show podcast. It's not a news program and I often see this conflated to the point that people say things as you've just said "not to take it as authoritative news."

Nobody with a brain is doing that, and further more, there is no authoritative news. We are at a point where everyone wants to be an internet celebrity for likes and social clout and where the government agencies and employees themselves have been spreading their own forms of misinformation. I'll never forget for the rest of my life how the Surgeon General both __tweeted__ and went on national news coverage to tell people to stop buying masks, we don't need them. That's your scammy, bullshit "authoritative news."

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Post by BTCOG » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 5:14 PM UTC

bassman9000 wrote: post #87

doopy1 wrote: post #72

I like the JRE podcast a lot, but I come for the guests. Joe Rogan is an entertainer and taking what he says on the podcast as authoritative "news" is poor judgement.

taking what he says No one that knows this podcast takes JR serious on anything else than MMA/fighting, hunting, or the stand up comedy world. Guests supply everything else, which is the point of bringing in people so different to each other.

Exactly. It's not a news program, it's a podcast for entertainment. It kind of takes a special kind of something to believe anything otherwise. Go read a mathematics textbook if you want authoritative news.

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Post by BTCOG » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #42

I’ve never really watched Joe Rogan and haven’t followed the current controversy, but I was surprised when Spotify signed his big deal because I knew enough to know he was polarizing. Did Spotify know what they were buying?

There literally is no controversy. It's more like 20-30 people screaming loudly that they aren't getting their way. If you listened to the podcasts the past few months/years you'd notice nothing. Unless it's a controversy that a very small handful of individuals wish to censor Joe Rogan's 2k+ hours of podcast episodes because they truly believe they have some right to do so. It's absolutely insane to me personally that anyone could try to stick the label "polarizing" to Joe Rogan, as it shows they don't know what they're talking about. He is dead in the center and purely logical to topics. He has an open mind, can listen and be kind to any person from any walk of life, and he leans towards being pretty progressive. I think it shows when someone tries to label him in such a way that they both admittedly don't know enough about him to make such classification, and that they wish to label him to signal they are in some camp or don't agree with a certain thing he has said. It's totally absurd. He is one of the kindest human beings on this planet, bar none. If he is labeled unfairly and tarred and feathered, there is virtually no hope for humanity.

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Post by BTCOG » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 5:29 PM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #138

mikewarot wrote: post #89

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How did you know he was polarizing? Did you know why? Did you care? When someone gets labeled "polarizing" I tend to check it out and decide for myself, because those are the people with the most interesting ideas.

The only thing you really need to do to be polarizing these days is bring up any topic that’s been politicized. I guess it would be more accurate to say his show covers polarizing topics. Even though I don’t watch his show I’ve seen enough internet fights about it that I know it’s not easy, safe, PC content. You seem to think I was saying he’s bad or something, which I wasn’t.

But it is apparent that you are commenting, just to comment. Why comment if you have no knowledge of the topic at hand? Is being totally fair and rational about any topic "polarizing?"

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Post by danielscrubs » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 8:09 PM UTC

stillbourne wrote: post #166

danielscrubs wrote: post #98

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Hold an comedian accountable? How much anger does the population have when people, that makes others laugh for a living, have to be accountable for others?

The JRE show has very little in the realm of comedy, and is more driven by Joe's philosophical views and opinion than any semblance of comicality. If his show was generally a stand up routine I would not have the same critique or hold it to the same level of skepticism.

It has been nominated for best comedy podcast year after year.

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Post by acephal » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 8:25 PM UTC

Balgair wrote: post #164

catmistake wrote: post #39

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I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

The neo-darwinian appeal is, unfortunately, not supported by evidence. The myth of the Alpha wolf is just that, a myth [0]. There is some evidence in pre-colombian contact societies that the Emperor and his cadre were responsible for many of society's children [I can't find the link right now, my bad]. However, if anything, this reinforces the societal aspect over the more 'base'/darwinian aspect. Also, this doesn't…

Likwise with Gorillas, these animals live in family groups, not random groupings of unrelated strangers where the greatest psychopath wins

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Post by vannevar » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 3:21 PM UTC

Scalestein wrote: post #68

vannevar wrote: post #49

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No doubt, you can draw the line at different points. And obviously, in terms of audience and profit, Joe has found a sweet spot, with enough crazy people to be interesting but not so crazy as to make it a nonstop freak show. My point was that there's a wide band there, and that simply excluding a guest whose beliefs are demonstrably incorrect or morally reprehensible is not the same as pushing a single orthodox belie…

Oh yes totally agree, certainly there are many guests who have been rejected from appearing on JRE and yet he is being touted as heterodox.

So in your mind, the ideal show would be one where the guests are chosen at random? Otherwise, there is always the possibility that pernicious orthodoxy would play a role in setting the agenda. And of course it couldn't be on Spotify; the free version plays ads, which definitely push a consumerist orthodoxy. And it couldn't all be in a single language, because as we all know, each language embodies certain cultural orthodoxies. Quite the dilemma, putting together the show of your dreams. ;-)

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Post by vannevar » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 3:25 PM UTC

dilyevsky wrote: post #18

vannevar wrote: post #15

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This is a straw man argument. There's a big difference between simply vetting your guests to weed out quacks, and pushing some single-minded idea of orthodoxy.

No it isn’t. As I said if you want your microwaved lasagna go watch 60 minutes. I want to see Dorsey, Jones etc for the lunatics that they are and be thoroughly entertained by it

So you'll trade the lasagna for a bag of Doritos and some Slim Jims? If you think there is something "authentic" about people like Alex Jones, you're delusional. They are media creations, just as surely as Dan Rather. Just less coherent.