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As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by luord »

I don't know anything about Rogan nor have I ever listened to his podcast (nor have any intention to), so I gotta ask: has he ever proclaimed himself an authority on, well, anything?

Because all of the criticism of him I read in here stems from what he chooses to talk about (which the critic dislikes or deems less important than other issues) or whom he chooses to talk with (whom the critic hates). Apparently, his deciding to focus on specific topics or talking to specific people somehow constitutes an "endorsement", but if he's no authority nor he has declared himself to be so, I don't see how that criticism is in any way apropos.

If his podcast really is as his fans/apologists describe, long conversation without specific goal. In that case nothing could possibly be an endorsement of, well, anything.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by TheMblabla »

luord wrote: post #161

I don't know anything about Rogan nor have I ever listened to his podcast (nor have any intention to), so I gotta ask: has he ever proclaimed himself an authority on, well, anything? Because all of the criticism of him I read in here stems from what he chooses to talk about (which the critic dislikes or deems less important than other issues) or whom he chooses to talk with (whom the critic hates). Apparently, his de…

I think the idea is that he's brought on people who spread hate and disinformation, thereby popularizing and empowering them. He's so popular that by going on the show guests get a 'bump' in popularity, like the Oprah Bump.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by [deleted] »

TheMblabla wrote: post #162
luord wrote: post #161

I don't know anything about Rogan nor have I ever listened to his podcast (nor have any intention to), so I gotta ask: has he ever proclaimed himself an authority on, well, anything? Because all of the criticism of him I read in here stems from what he chooses to talk about (which the critic dislikes or deems less important than other issues) or whom he chooses to talk with (whom the critic hates). Apparently, his de…

I think the idea is that he's brought on people who spread hate and disinformation, thereby popularizing and empowering them. He's so popular that by going on the show guests get a 'bump' in popularity, like the Oprah Bump.

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

#164

Post by Balgair »

catmistake wrote: post #39
stolenmerch wrote: post #4

I think Joe Rogan is so popular because he openly espouses ideas that MANY people feel and believe. It almost has to be the case. Basically, I think he believes that everyone should be free to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone -- unless they are trying to hurt each other in a fight, which is where the trans debate he's had is born from. It's a sort of "liberaltarian" approach that holds a lot of…

I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

The neo-darwinian appeal is, unfortunately, not supported by evidence. The myth of the Alpha wolf is just that, a myth [0]. There is some evidence in pre-colombian contact societies that the Emperor and his cadre were responsible for many of society's children [I can't find the link right now, my bad]. However, if anything, this reinforces the societal aspect over the more 'base'/darwinian aspect.

Also, this doesn't explain Joe's appeal toward men. If the meanest monkey has the most offspring, then his appeal should be with women.

[0] https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/how-to-really-be-alp...

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by Balgair »

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

> Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual audiences to determine who actually knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.

If anything, that is wonderful. Having multiple opinions put forward without context is a great way to engage critical thinking skills. The audience then has to decide what they 'feel' is correct. If the people with the facts can't sway the audience with said fact, then they should go back and figure out why that is. That will help them in the future and make the facts all the stronger.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by stillbourne »

danielscrubs wrote: post #98
stillbourne wrote: post #64

Joe Rogan espouses a mindset that is not conducive to skeptical inquiry. He will readily accept for face value anything that fits into his assimilated world view. Oftentimes those ideas are unscientific, pander to conspiratorial mindsets, and are often just down right wrong. Furthermore, he will often make his show a platform for people who are either full of shit, full of hate, or crackpots and snakeoil salesmen. I…

Hold an comedian accountable? How much anger does the population have when people, that makes others laugh for a living, have to be accountable for others?

The JRE show has very little in the realm of comedy, and is more driven by Joe's philosophical views and opinion than any semblance of comicality. If his show was generally a stand up routine I would not have the same critique or hold it to the same level of skepticism.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by stillbourne »

spoopyskelly wrote: post #127
stillbourne wrote: post #64

Joe Rogan espouses a mindset that is not conducive to skeptical inquiry. He will readily accept for face value anything that fits into his assimilated world view. Oftentimes those ideas are unscientific, pander to conspiratorial mindsets, and are often just down right wrong. Furthermore, he will often make his show a platform for people who are either full of shit, full of hate, or crackpots and snakeoil salesmen. I…

I wish someone would hold you accountable for your bad posting.

How dare I have a different world view! I should be ashamed.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

#168

Post by 0xy »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #124
0xy wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-05/who-coronavirus-updat... https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising... https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152

The BI article does not say Fauci spread misinformation, > "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people"

He told people not to wear masks because they were not effective. This statement is patently false and he knew it to be false at the time he made it. Since then, he has made opposite claims about masks.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by manigandham »

chowyuncat wrote: post #156
manigandham wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say that, only that he doesn't limit the conversation. Of course he chooses his guests, and I choose whether to listen or not. And in case you didn't know, Joe Rogan has been personal friends with Alex Jones since the 90s. To him, he's just another friend on the podcast.

Alex Jones is a terrible human being. Rogan is another con man in Jones’ vein, and the fact that they’re friends should tell you that Rogan isn’t a good person, either. Nobody who chooses to amplify Jones can be considered a decent person.

What's interesting is that all these warnings against Jones and guilt-by-association is generally from people blindly repeating the same thing while being ignorant and uninterested in the real details. The very episodes that people are worried about are actually the best explanations of who Jones is and his friendship with Rogan, and they include disclosures and harsh criticisms against what he's said and done.

Overall I don't understand the big deal about him. I've met truly evil people (from cartel members to death row inmates) and Jones doesn't come close. He's full of extremist conspiracies but he's also extremely easy to ignore. He barely makes a mark compared to the typical social media drivel these days anyway.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

#170

Post by unityByFreedom »

0xy wrote: post #168
unityByFreedom wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BI article does not say Fauci spread misinformation, > "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people"

He told people not to wear masks because they were not effective. This statement is patently false and he knew it to be false at the time he made it. Since then, he has made opposite claims about masks.

It doesn't say that either,

> "When it became clear that we could get the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.

"And also, it soon became clear that we had enough protective equipment and that cloth masks and homemade masks were as good as masks that you would buy from surgical supply stores," Fauci added. "So in the context of when we were not strongly recommending it, it was the correct thing."

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