As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by seibelj » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:04 AM UTC

foogazi wrote: post #69

seibelj wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, what is your explanation for why the mainstream left ignores / hates him? This is my explanation.

Unclear what you mean the mainstream left ignores or hates Joe Rogan Does the mainstream “anything” care about JRE ? He is a successful podcaster, not in the mainstream (and when he gets there he will be accused of selling out anyway) Should CNN, MSNBC or Fox have him on as a commentator or discuss his views?

Did you read the linked article? That is the entire question posed by the article - "Why is Joe Rogan despised by the left?"

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by xupybd » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:04 AM UTC

scsilver wrote: post #65

xupybd wrote: post #23

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A wave of criticism calling for his censorship is backlash. That criticism is coming entirely from the left. Hence liberal backlash is correct. I don't think this is a freedom of speech issue.

I mean those same voices are calling for Bari Weiss's censorship too, it's hard to define "liberal" nowadays, it seem sto include far left.

That's a fair distinction. Maybe it would be better to say it's far left backlash.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by ffggvv » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:07 AM UTC

notice everyone started attacking him first when he endorsed bernie and now even more when he made fun of biden?

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by rptr4 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:08 AM UTC

Isn’t Joe Rohan a libertarian rather than a liberal? The article lost me on that in the very beginning. Not saying anything against Rogan (or for Rogan for that matter), but I’ fairly certain his ideals align with libertarianism, not liberalism.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by therealdrag0 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:14 AM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #25

happytoexplain wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incredibly uncharitable and simplistic attack on "many on the left".

Well, what is your explanation for why the mainstream left ignores / hates him? This is my explanation.

I know a lot of people on the left who listen to and like JRE.

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Post by bassman9000 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:14 AM UTC

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Him not being Yet Another Gatekeeper of the Anointed Opinions is actually pretty nice. Having a blank slate, laying out all options, even fringe ones, and letting people form their own opinions, it's a huge advancement in a media world where everything is ultraprocessed and spoonfed to the audience.

You shine light on conspiracists and fools, for everyone to see, not just hide them in the shadows. That feeds them.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by bassman9000 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:18 AM UTC

doopy1 wrote: post #72

I like the JRE podcast a lot, but I come for the guests. Joe Rogan is an entertainer and taking what he says on the podcast as authoritative "news" is poor judgement.

taking what he says

No one that knows this podcast takes JR serious on anything else than MMA/fighting, hunting, or the stand up comedy world.

Guests supply everything else, which is the point of bringing in people so different to each other.

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Post by bassman9000 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:20 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #42

I’ve never really watched Joe Rogan and haven’t followed the current controversy, but I was surprised when Spotify signed his big deal because I knew enough to know he was polarizing. Did Spotify know what they were buying?

never really watched

knew enough to know he was polarizing

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by mikewarot » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:20 AM UTC

donmcronald wrote: post #42

I’ve never really watched Joe Rogan and haven’t followed the current controversy, but I was surprised when Spotify signed his big deal because I knew enough to know he was polarizing. Did Spotify know what they were buying?

How did you know he was polarizing? Did you know why? Did you care? When someone gets labeled "polarizing" I tend to check it out and decide for myself, because those are the people with the most interesting ideas.

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Post by Reedx » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:27 AM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #34

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Do you instantly know the truth in every conversation? Do you argue every point or do you let the topics flow naturally? Joe Rogan is no different. He's not an interviewer but just a guy who has long conversations. That's why many guests are his close friends, and also why people are eager to be guests in the first place and talk for hours. The long-form uncritical nature is what made the show popular and gives you a…

Well said.

People are so used to shows and popular voices pushing agendas that it seems they're flummoxed when one isn't doing that. Apparently under the impression that Rogan is endorsing everything his guests say and that his listeners just blindly absorb/repeat.

But he isn't pushing an agenda, isn't telling you what to think, doesn't filter by ideology. He's just having conversations with people that he thinks are interesting and treats them respectfully, like a friend would in real life. That's why it resonates, is refreshing, and will continue to mystify those that expect everything to fit neatly in a pre-defined, pre-approved box.