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Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by joncrane »

PiggySpeed wrote: post #21
nsainsbury wrote: post #4

I think a key phrase here is "he was dismissed for publicly challenging a colleague’s silence". In other words, he publicly harassed a colleague who (for what could be any number of perfectly valid reasons) preferred not to publicly state their beliefs. That would seem to me to be an eminently reasonable reason to fire someone. If you go around publicly harassing your colleagues to publicly state their political opin…

I'm starting a new job soon and I'm trying to figure out how I'll handle these "silence is complicit" characters. My personal policy is to not discuss political/social issues at work.

The way it works at my workplace is that in meetings with more than one person, we just say "times are tough and thanks for coping with the hard times and still getting the work done. We also recognize that times may be especially hard for some people." But in 1-on-1 convos some of my colleagues and I trust each other enough to say, for example, that we attended a protest.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by tonymet »

packetslave wrote: post #51

Disclaimer: I have no opinion whatsoever about what this guy did or didn't tweet, or whatever the reason may be that he's no longer at Facebook. That being said, WOW that's some crap reporting: the only source mentioned in the article is what the guy himself wrote on Twitter. From the bottom: "Facebook and Dail did not immediately respond to requests for comment." Reuters chose to spin that into "Facebook fires emplo…

i read articles bottom-up for this reason – you'll find whatever shred of facts to be found there.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by m_ke »

cameronbrown wrote: post #133
m_ke wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not claiming that he's a racist but it takes a special kind of person to write a book against multiculturalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG9iG0cSjbc

It's just an opinion. Like literally _everything_ in life, multiculturalism has pros and cons that must be studied and analysed for us to understand the effects. FWIW I've not read the book, but the existence of such a book isn't necessarily racist.

Has to be a really strongly held opinion to write a book about it. He's probably not racist though, just like Rabois wasn't a homophobe when he was shouting anti gay slurs [1]. I interpret it as a typical conservative distraction, same thing that Tucker Carlson pulls every night on fox news: "protecting western values", "defending freedom of speech", "woke liberals", "antifa", "seattle taken over by radical leftist terrorists", etc.

He's a brilliant entrepreneur, an opportunist funding divisive politics to build and protect his wealth.

I didn't intend to label him a racist but to point out that one of their most prominent board members is a big player in right wing politics and has clearly used the platform to help elect the president, which might be the reason why Facebook has not banned political advertising and is allowing the president to violate their terms of service. (I personally don't believe that they should censor him)

[1] https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2013/01/rabois...

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Post by dlp211 »

waterhouse wrote: post #147
saagarjha wrote: post #117

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As I understand it, many of the founding fathers explicitly feared that general populace would vote poorly and wanted people who were educated and had access to sufficient information to make a decision to do so on their behalf.

I was also told the following rationale: If elections are decided entirely by popular vote, then candidates are incentivized to campaign in population centers, and have no incentive to ever visit sparsely populated states. (Like, bringing your margin from 70% to 85% of 4 million people is worth more than going from 0% to 100% of 400k people.)

Except it's simply not true. Instead candidates focus on a set of fairly high-population swing states, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania.

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Post by baddox »

cellularmitosis wrote: post #160
baddox wrote: post #123

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That's still not public shaming, is it? It's not even a private conversation about private matters.

Yes, it was a private reply, which the facebook employee then outed publicly on twitter. >I asked @Vjeux to follow @reactjs's lead and add a statement of support to Recoil's docs and he privately refused, claiming open source shouldn't be political. That is 100% not ok.

Why is that not okay? Do you think that is sensitive private information? Or do you believe that no content of any private conversation should ever be publicized?

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by thisiszilff »

nickff wrote: post #42
PiggySpeed wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I this this is a good approach that I've used before. I think it starts to crumble when people start to demand you to do stuff like posting on your social media or showing them donation receipts.

I think the unfortunate reality is that some people are intolerant of others who are insufficiently supportive of certain causes, and the only way to deal with those people is not to deal with them. The subject of this thread seems to be one of those people.

Not necessarily insufficiently supportive, but insufficiently supportive in public mediums.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by joncrane »

dvt wrote: post #45

I'm so over this political posturing. I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened (remember #OccupyWallStreet?). People that actually change the world don't need to advertise it on Twitter. I have friends that volunteer in Watts and Compton every other weekend (and have done so for years ) that don't need to share it on social media. I can't help but think that this…

>I can't wait for ~2 weeks when everyone's going to go back to their lives like nothing happened

I hope we never go back to our lives like nothing happened and I feel a responsibility to make sure I never do.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by baddox »

ab_c wrote: post #150
baddox wrote: post #61

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What do you mean by "specifically targeting an individual front-end engineer at FB?" This seems to be "targeting" the person in control of the website of that open source project, and why wouldn't this communication be targeted at that person? Targeting it at anyone else, or just tweeting into the wind, would be completely ridiculous. It also doesn't strike me as "harassment" or an "attack" or even particularly hosti…

Ooof. I'd hate to be around that guy if he was organizing a fundraiser. If he's passionate about a cause and notices that you didn't donate as much as he had hoped, does it give him the right to publicly shame you for it? It doesn't matter if it's for a good cause or not, that's 100% harassment. His tweet wasn't meant to encourage ppl to join his cause, his tweet was targeted at one person and meant to solicit others…

I've asked elsewhere in this thread, but what in his tweets do you consider to be public shaming? I don't see anything even remotely close to what I would call public shaming. There is also nothing remotely resembling a solicitation for others to attack.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Post by baddox »

devmunchies wrote: post #149
baddox wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there is a line you can't cross. But asking someone to do something, then saying they didn't do, does not seem to be past that line to me. That seems like something that would happen very routinely.

You’re purposefully using language to make it seem like not a big deal. It was clearly more aggressive than simply asking. And, again, context for where you are “saying they didn’t do it” matters. If it’s an internal company board vs Twitter or github matters.

It is not clearly more aggressive. What part of his language do you think are in any way aggressive?
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