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Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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I think a key phrase here is "he was dismissed for publicly challenging a colleague’s silence". In other words, he publicly harassed a colleague who (for what could be any number of perfectly valid reasons) preferred not to publicly state their beliefs. That would seem to me to be an eminently reasonable reason to fire someone. If you go around publicly harassing your colleagues to publicly state their political opin…

Indeed -- here is some additional context that the article doesn't provide: The fired employee Tweeted today: >In the interest of transparency, I was let go for calling out an employee’s inaction here on Twitter. I stand by what I said. They didn’t give me the chance to quit [0] He then specifically cited [1] the Tweet in question that was the cause: >I asked @Vjeux to follow @reactjs's lead and add a statement of su…

What do you mean by "specifically targeting an individual front-end engineer at FB?" This seems to be "targeting" the person in control of the website of that open source project, and why wouldn't this communication be targeted at that person? Targeting it at anyone else, or just tweeting into the wind, would be completely ridiculous.

It also doesn't strike me as "harassment" or an "attack" or even particularly hostile. There's no threat, name-calling, or insults. What part of this is looks like harassment or hostility?

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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I think a key phrase here is "he was dismissed for publicly challenging a colleague’s silence". In other words, he publicly harassed a colleague who (for what could be any number of perfectly valid reasons) preferred not to publicly state their beliefs. That would seem to me to be an eminently reasonable reason to fire someone. If you go around publicly harassing your colleagues to publicly state their political opin…

Glad you pointed this out. Interestingly, the topic (don't harass your co-workers) was specifically discussed internally last week.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

#63

I think a key phrase here is "he was dismissed for publicly challenging a colleague’s silence". In other words, he publicly harassed a colleague who (for what could be any number of perfectly valid reasons) preferred not to publicly state their beliefs. That would seem to me to be an eminently reasonable reason to fire someone. If you go around publicly harassing your colleagues to publicly state their political opin…

I'm starting a new job soon and I'm trying to figure out how I'll handle these "silence is complicit" characters. My personal policy is to not discuss political/social issues at work.

Not a lawyer, just my thoughts:

Assuming you're in the US, it's my understanding that political affiliation is generally not a protected category. So if it's at-will employment at a private employer, it's probably legal to fire you for your political beliefs / actions (or "no reason" when it's really about political affiliation). If someone is engaging in behavior that bothers you, tell them to stop. If they don't, report them to HR. Make sure everything is in writing. But, be aware that HR might not be on your side; but at that point you really need to reconsider whether you want to work at a place where you are harassed and not supported by the company for not discussing politics.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

#64

I think a key phrase here is "he was dismissed for publicly challenging a colleague’s silence". In other words, he publicly harassed a colleague who (for what could be any number of perfectly valid reasons) preferred not to publicly state their beliefs. That would seem to me to be an eminently reasonable reason to fire someone. If you go around publicly harassing your colleagues to publicly state their political opin…

I'm starting a new job soon and I'm trying to figure out how I'll handle these "silence is complicit" characters. My personal policy is to not discuss political/social issues at work.

If you think that it's not true (that silence is not complicit), then shouldn't you attempt to explain that?

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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post #52

Few things to consider: 1. Peter Thiel sits on Facebook's board and was one of its first investors. 2. Thiel donated 1.25 million to Trump's campaign right before the election when it looked like he had no chance of winning. 3. Thiel also donated millions of dollars to Mercer's Super PAC which was funding Cambridge Analytica (which Mercer cofounded with Bannon). 4. Thiel is looking to start a conservative news channe…

Does not liking affirmative action make you racist?

Isn't affirmative action or equivalent considered illegal in the UK(and perhaps EU in general but I'm not sure)

Is the UK more racist than the US?

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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Why would this open source project add something specific to the US even if just a banner? People keep saying slogans like "injustice anywhere..." or silence is complicit ... but they mean just on this US/Western issue? It seems like brigading people.

Do you have an example of a similar banner that is specific only to the United States?

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I this this is a good approach that I've used before. I think it starts to crumble when people start to demand you to do stuff like posting on your social media or showing them donation receipts.

I think the unfortunate reality is that some people are intolerant of others who are insufficiently supportive of certain causes, and the only way to deal with those people is not to deal with them. The subject of this thread seems to be one of those people.

I think the unfortunate reality is that this isn't about individual people expecting support for certain causes. What you're looking at is fundamentally a social phenomenon - a belief that's been spreading from person to person and community to community that every person in the social group must support the correct causes in the correct ways, that anyone who doesn't go along with this is actively going against the cause and must be shamed and shunned until they do. It's the social spread via peer pressure that gives this its power. This isn't a new thing, it's been spreading amongst the tech community and elsewhere for probably well over a decade at this point.

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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> Trump’s posts included the racially charged phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” How is that racially charged?

It's a quote said in 1967 by Miami police Chief Walter Headley who was talking about how he will respond to protests against the police. For context, he also said he was against "young hoodlums, from 15 to 21, who have taken advantage of the civil rights campaign. ... We don't mind being accused of police brutality" The Chief got the phrase from the guy who used firehoses and dogs against children during the Birmingh…

If you read "young hoodlums" and think of certain race maybe it's your own bias shining through. Where I grew up on Ohio the kids I considered "young hoodlums" didn't happen to be any specific race

Re: Facebook fires employee for publicly scolding a colleague

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post #52

Few things to consider: 1. Peter Thiel sits on Facebook's board and was one of its first investors. 2. Thiel donated 1.25 million to Trump's campaign right before the election when it looked like he had no chance of winning. 3. Thiel also donated millions of dollars to Mercer's Super PAC which was funding Cambridge Analytica (which Mercer cofounded with Bannon). 4. Thiel is looking to start a conservative news channe…

Don’t see how this is relevant to an employee getting fired for harassment
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