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Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you search for Google, you will find one 50M fine. What is the 4% of Google revenue's again? 50M is filed under cost of doing business or the corruption budget if you are not that generous.

What specific violation do you have in mind? Google has been fined $5B for various non-GDPR violations.

Have they paid any of it? FCC has fined robodialers in the hundreds of millions but only managed to collect a fraction of a percent.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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I used to think some of my peers were being overly cautious by purposely trying to obfuscate their online profile. Back in the day, I couldn’t care less about putting in effort to try to protect my online privacy. I have slowly but surely come to see the light. Now it’s at the forefront of my mind at all times. Learning about this company (and I imagine other unknown entities are doing the same) has encouraged me to…

I too am extremely opposed to any and all non-consenting invasions of digital privacy (i.e., the problem isn’t the known-known of what you upload, but the hidden implications of it), but on the contrary, I make a disciplined effort to make my digital fingerprint reflect my actual views and identity. Whatever time capsule my digital identity ends up in, I want to be as accurate and beautiful as possible. This includes…

Thank you for sharing this viewpoint. Your end goals are admirable. I will seriously consider adopting your strategy.

Obviously, I'm using a nym. Because I've wanted to my life to be faceted. I've lived very publicly before (ran for office). But in geekdom, I didn't want people to casually correlate my politics (activism) with my open source efforts.

Again, thank you.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Bit of a rub that to request your messy, potentially erroneous, public profile, you have to give private, authenticated identification and contact information - basically the most valuable information they could want, dramatically increasing the value of your profile that you were so concerned about in the first place.

Its probably because for clearview its the only way to know that it is indeed you who is asking for information on yourself.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This exactly, it's very much happening even if you're not reading it in the news every time.

If you search for Google, you will find one 50M fine. What is the 4% of Google revenue's again? 50M is filed under cost of doing business or the corruption budget if you are not that generous.

Your info seems a bit out of date:

> SWEDEN

> 2020-03-11

> 7,000,000

> Google LLC

> Art. 5 GDPR, Art. 6 GDPR, Art. 17 GDPR

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #112

Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent. That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.

Maybe because no one actually thinks that there is a privacy interest in public photos of his/her face that he/she posts on the public internet?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Ideally we live in a society where not being anonymous is not such a big risk. But governments change, the data is still around to be abused. This is what disturbs me. Is how data can be abused in the future.

I’m pretty sure ICE is already using that to find potential targets that are not residents.

Most non technical people don’t understand how powerful technology is.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #112

Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent. That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.

Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…

> It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok with their data.

Exploitation is the best education there is. Everything is fine until it isn't. One day, companies and governments are going to start doing things with personal information that are unacceptable to even the average person. By then, it will probably be too late.

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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post #112

Why is there no arrest warrant against the managers and owners of Clearview here on the EU? They are using PII of hundreds of millions of Europeans without written consent. That alone should mean billions of euros in fines.

Because the general public doesn't care enough to raise a stink? Back when Snowden story broke, I tried explaining its significance to a handful of my friends - all I got was a yawn. These are not dumb people, they are smart professionals (non-IT). Even then, I failed to get the point across to them. It would require some serious education before the public wakes up to the dangers of private companies running amok wi…

Is potential surveillance by government entities the primary reason you are against companies generally doing whatever they want with user data? Are there other rationales?

Just like your friends, I personally don't particularly care either, but from time to time I have tried to understand the privacy crowd's obsession with this issue and the rationale behind laws like the GDPR and CCPA, as well as the desire for even more restrictive laws and I truly don't get it.

Is there a manifesto somewhere I'm missing? Some essay or thinkpiece that lays out in detail the case against collection of user data?

Re: I got my file from Clearview AI

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Honest question - why is author so shocked, given that all the information was public or published by himself?

I think because the idea that someone you don't know and have no relationship with is systematically collating everything they can about you, is a bit like having a stalker.

You don't know why they're stalking you.

On the face of it it's for law enforcement in case you decide to commit a crime sometime in the future.

...or it could be so that they can raise the prices in shops when you walking and the facial recognition picks you up.

...or it could be for a future employer to decide that the kind of bars you visit means that you're not the right "social fit" for a job.

...or it could be for... anything.

You have no control and that's the scary thing.

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