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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by asjw »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #111
thefz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>just a generation ago having a large catholic, and poor, family was one of the most prominent qualities of Italian life. I would not say so, no. That's speculation, this has not been true even for the south for a long time now. The only large, poor families you see are from immigrants nowadays.

What is a long time? I lived and worked in the Central part in Emilia Romanga, an affluent albeit largely communist part of Italy, and I saw it amongst farming families, although most had since abandoned Catholicism. Many of the older children had left for Germany, Switzerland, Austria or Holland for work to send money back home. But, and this was just my personal experience since I was in the EU during the financial…

Not false, but incorrect.

Emilia Romagna hasn't been communist since at least 2 decades.

Emilia Romagna is largely an industrial compound with better average welfare state than the rest of Italy.

At best I would say Italian-socialist with some communist folklore

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by wolco »

dsiegel2275 wrote: post #129
pmontra wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My gut feeling from Italy: May, difficult. June, maybe. But expect that this disease expands to almost everywhere so what's going to be the status of your country by then, regardless where you are from? I'm not expecting to be able to travel much this summer, not because I'm from Italy but because every country is going to have its own share of problems.

Thoughts on the UK? I'm supposed to go on a vacation to England for a week starting April 1st

The plane flight/airport will be the biggest risk.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by toyg »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #111
thefz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>just a generation ago having a large catholic, and poor, family was one of the most prominent qualities of Italian life. I would not say so, no. That's speculation, this has not been true even for the south for a long time now. The only large, poor families you see are from immigrants nowadays.

What is a long time? I lived and worked in the Central part in Emilia Romanga, an affluent albeit largely communist part of Italy, and I saw it amongst farming families, although most had since abandoned Catholicism. Many of the older children had left for Germany, Switzerland, Austria or Holland for work to send money back home. But, and this was just my personal experience since I was in the EU during the financial…

Demographic trends in Italy bottomed out the year I was born (1979), and were then absolutely stuck until 2001, with no growth whatsoever. Without migration, the population would have long shrunk pretty dramatically. So your image of "large italian families" has not been mainstream for at least 40/50 years - two generations, like many (most?) other European countries.

> the amount of large groups of 20 year olds (I was in my 20s back then too) were there day and night drinking in public was astonishing.

1) All the cities in Italy have large student populations because of well-respected universities. Bologna has one of the oldest universities in Europe, which is now massive. Chances are 95% of the kids you saw were students.

2) People in Italy like to hang out. Even if you have a job, anytime after 6pm is fair game for an aperitivo and whatever comes next, particularly when you are 20. Also, in smaller cities and towns, shops close at lunchtime and people go out to eat together, coming back around 2 or 3pm.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by pjc50 »

dsiegel2275 wrote: post #129
pmontra wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My gut feeling from Italy: May, difficult. June, maybe. But expect that this disease expands to almost everywhere so what's going to be the status of your country by then, regardless where you are from? I'm not expecting to be able to travel much this summer, not because I'm from Italy but because every country is going to have its own share of problems.

Thoughts on the UK? I'm supposed to go on a vacation to England for a week starting April 1st

I live in the UK and have no idea. It's quite likely that we delay quarantine until too late, but when that actually is or how bad is anyone's guess.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by bilekas »

CaciaraAsAServi wrote: post #65

I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…

I can appreciate this, I am one good half Italian, I have old family locked up in Modena.

I love Italy, I consider it home, but I will argue against the opinion.

And that is what it is. An opinion. Listen, forget China, forget their words, their actions are fucking insane. In Modena, the same thing is happening, we are all in glass houses. Italy has been praised for their action. Even from the WHO, myself included with family there, know that its hard. Nobody is pointing a finger are you.

Grow the fuck up.

>Another interesting thing I have just noticed is that some journalists are now openly praising the Chinese handling of the crisis.

Che cazzo fa.

Grow the fuck up. We are all stuck in this bullshit together.

You're being a drama cunt. I would like to write more, but you already know it.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by toyg »

cleandreams wrote: post #34

The fatality rate of Italy is scary high. I read the reason is that they have such a high percentage of elderly.

Somewhat ironically, this virus might be great news for the overall demographics: couples are now stuck at home with nothing to do, NYC-blackout-style; I fully expect an increase in births (and divorces) in the next 12 months.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by Angostura »

CaciaraAsAServi wrote: post #65

I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…

China has seen massive decline in the number of new cases in Hubei. It’s no surprise the response is being praised.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by Nursie »

bArray wrote: post #124

Just spoken to an Italian friend, apparently they got a few hours notice before this was enforced (much more kept under-wraps than the previous quarantine of Northern Italy). Expect other Western European Countries to follow this pattern as the number of cases increase [1]. I would specifically be looking at France, Spain and Germany as potential next candidates. If people here haven't already, I would recommend not…

People in the UK have already been panic buying, mostly pasta and toilet roll AFAICT

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Post by bilekas »

CaciaraAsAServi wrote: post #65

I was not very surprised that Italy turned out to be the (first?) major hit in Europe. Considering the strong business connections, it had to be either us or Germany. We are, as much of the world, importers from China, but many enterprises here are also, somewhat, strong exporters to China (I can see it from my dayjob as industrial automation SI), and if you factor in the small average size of Italian companies requi…

Another thing that bother me is you make no mention of tourists. Only mention business export/import (well done, everyone has that)

There is a huge amount of tourism from Asia, but you just papered away from that, kinda gives a bit of nonsense to your toxic message.

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