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CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by Merrill »

Inhaling anything other than pure air has always seemed like a bad idea. Bob Newhart just turned 90...

>INTRODUCING TOBACCO TO CIVILISATION ... https://monologues.co.uk/Bob_Newhart/Tobacco.htm

You can chew it!... or put it in a pipe!... or you can shred it up... and put it in a piece of paper. ha! ha! ha!... and roll it up. ha ha ha... Don't tell me, Walt, don't tell me. ha! ha! ha! you stick it in your ear, right? ha! ha! ha!...

Oh! between your lips!...

Then what do you do, Walt? ha! ha! ha!...

You set fire to it! ha! ha! ha!...

Then what do you do, Walt?...

Ha! ha! ha! You inhale the smoke, huh! ha! ha! ha!...

You know, Walt... it seems you can stand in front of your own fireplace and have the same thing going for you!

You see, Walt... we've been a little worried about you, y'know, ever since you put your cape down over that mud.

Y'see, Walt... I think you're gonna have rather a tough time selling people on sticking burning leaves in their mouthes...

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by zelon88 »

zelienople wrote: post #152

Several things have failed to show up in the comments that might illuminate this discussion. (1) The condition is called lipoid pneumonia, which comes from inhaling organic fats and oils. (2) The CDC reports and early studies indicate that the condition has appeared in some people who only vaped with nicotine in glycerol (which is also sometimes called glycerin or glycerine). (3) Glycerol (the Christmas molecule--HO…

> (3) The CDC reports and early studies indicate that the condition has appeared in some people who only vaped with nicotine in glycerol (which is also sometimes called glycerin or glycerine).

Are you sure? The article states ... "...most of the afflicted users reported using THC exclusively or as well as nicotine."

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by DanBC »

lonelappde wrote: post #165
testis321 wrote: post #82

Vaping is great! Take someone who smokes two packs a day, give him a niccotine vape, and he gets all the 'high' he needs to fuel his addiciton, with (by some sources) only 10% of the "bad things" going in his lungs (compared to cigarettes). Less coughing, easier to reduce the dosage (just buy a liquid with less nicotine - you still keep your rutine and cigarette breaks, but slowly lower your addiction level). ...but.…

How is vaping better than nicotine patch, assuming that the poison is not considered a feature?

We haven't done much research on vaping as a smoking cessation tool.

We've done a bit on other forms of nicotine replacement, and they are more effective when they're delivered as a package of treatment, and less effective if they're used alone with nothing else.

Some smokers who've switched to vaping are now in a weird super-position state: they don't smoke right now because they vape, but take the vaping away from them and they'll go back to cigarettes.

That's not ideal. But it's probably better than them sticking with cigarettes.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by magna7 »

DanBC wrote: post #131
jdietrich wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The link below is a systematic evidence review published by Public Health England, covering 415 studies relating to e-cigarettes and heated tobacco products. Key quotes: One assessment of the published data on emissions from cigarettes and EC calculated the lifetime cancer risks. It concluded that the cancer potencies of EC were largely under 0.5% of the risk of smoking. Comparative risks of cardiovascular disease an…

Don't forget that most of the evidence they used comes from research funded by the tobacco industry, and when you exclude that data the research shows more harm.

It's all relative. I don't see the CDC telling people to stop stuffing donuts in their mouths, which is far more harmful for public health.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by fortran77 »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #132

Something about all the sudden bans in flavored, (enjoyable) vapes, mixed with the fear mongering all over the news makes me feel like this is all FUD being pushed by the tobacco industry. I mean, consider what’s happening. “Why vape if it’s flavorless and tasteless? At that point, I might as well stick to my Marlboro Reds, at least they have some established flavor” - I’m just playing devils advocate. And about the…

> . Decent parenting and better local regulation could solve this problem.

I never had any desire to smoke or do drugs even though all my friends did. I'm 56 years old and hung out with musicians all my life. I've done gigs with guys who were shooting heroin and snorting coke.

I had good parents.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by robocat »

zelienople wrote: post #152

Several things have failed to show up in the comments that might illuminate this discussion. (1) The condition is called lipoid pneumonia, which comes from inhaling organic fats and oils. (2) The CDC reports and early studies indicate that the condition has appeared in some people who only vaped with nicotine in glycerol (which is also sometimes called glycerin or glycerine). (3) Glycerol (the Christmas molecule--HO…

> (11) If the early reports are correct that lipoid pneumonia is occurring in vapers who have only used nicotine in glycerol with no flavoring or impurities, then we must ask the question: Is glycerol being converted to fatty acids in lung cells by NAD-mediated enzymatic conversion or acid-catalyzed esterification in the presence of high CO2 levels and acidity?

How about also asking another question: do some people using cannabis "dank" vapes lie?

Police, perception, insurance: three good reasons cannabis smokers wouldn't give the truth and might just say they smoked nicotine.

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by thedaemon »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #158
_fullpint wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While many of the patients, but not all, reported recent use of THC-containing products, some reported using both THC- and nicotine-containing products. A smaller group reported using nicotine only. That’s directly from the CDC. They should probably stop using the word e-cigarette especially due to the fact nobody using the THC vapes calls them that.

Curious linguistic detail: they need to use the word that people using THC vapes expect them to use for clear communications to occur. As a stuffy international organization, they'd be expected to use something that sounds like a technical term. Vs for instance, some slang or cool-kid term.

They are called "cartridges".

Re: CDC says stop vaping as mystery lung condition spreads

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Post by forgotmypwd123 »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #132

Something about all the sudden bans in flavored, (enjoyable) vapes, mixed with the fear mongering all over the news makes me feel like this is all FUD being pushed by the tobacco industry. I mean, consider what’s happening. “Why vape if it’s flavorless and tasteless? At that point, I might as well stick to my Marlboro Reds, at least they have some established flavor” - I’m just playing devils advocate. And about the…

Worried about the possible dangers of certain flavors, I tried "flavorless" e-liquid (6mg) and it tastes TERRIBLE.

Its not flavorless, its unflavored, and the nicotine (and possibly also the VG/PG) tastes like pre-chewed nicotine gum.

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