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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by oblio »

pzh wrote: post #65
sgift wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of course, if you happen to be the one who got there early, and you like having 3-hour meals while chatting with your friends, it's the perfect arrangement, because nobody will pressure you to eat, pay, and leave in 30-40 mins as usually happens in the US. If I'd like to be pressured to leave asap I would go to a fast food chain. So, this doesn't sound like a problem at all, more like a feature.

It is a nice feature unless you're on the other end of the deal, walking from one completely full restaurant to another looking for a table. In a sense, it's an inefficiency because a table may free up shortly after you leave, but the staff wouldn't care to predict that.

You could call and make a reservation.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by ecopoesis »

I'd love for the US to move away from our bizarre tipping culture. However, if we do it'll remove one of the simpler douchebag cues we have.

Person who leaves exactly 15%: douchebag.

Person with leaves no tip: douchecanoe.

Person who leaves a penny: doucecraft-carrier USS Doucheprise.

Tipping is such an easy filter for the people you want to spend time with.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by BinaryWaves »

dalbasal wrote: post #164
ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

I don't have strong opinions on tipping either way. Personally, I prefer a culture where tips are an optional extra in culture. You do it when pleasantly surprised. That's nothing more than an "i like it this way" though. That said, who says "the worker's salary is a employer's responsibility?" Monetary culture is ancient and emergent. It's culture. Complicated, organic, varied and local. That doesn't mean that we sh…

> That said, who says "the worker's salary is a employer's responsibility?"

...The employer does the second they hire the worker

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by [deleted] »

avar wrote: post #94
MrQuincle wrote: post #43

From personal experience (just anecdotal) I would say service in the US is much better than for example in the Netherlands (my own country). I think you'll have to think of other things than service to make this happen. Other options: + Start with clear signs to indicate for other businesses (cabs, hairdresser) that tips are not expected. + I will assume that you pay the 20% to your personnel anyway. So basically you…

Service in Spain is also much better than The Netherlands, I'd say on par with US service. I think Dutch service is just particularly bad, and tipping clearly doesn't explain the difference since Spanish service is so much better without the expectation of tipping.

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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by lupin_sansei »

peterkelly wrote: post #169
padobson wrote: post #159

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

> Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life As someone who comes from a country where tipping is not part of the culture (Australia), I'm struggling to understand this. What are we missing out on by not having it?

Notice in Australia only higher end places have table service and not that great service either. That's what we miss out on in Australia. We have much more self service cafes and much less attentive service when we do get it.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by Klathmon »

csydas wrote: post #78
surrealvortex wrote: post #17

Unless everyone decides to kill tips all at once, this will never work out. No server will work for a fixed 20% increment when they have the potential to get a lot more than that, especially on Saturday nights. There have been plenty of examples of this not working out [1]. [1] http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/05/15/478096516/why...

Very rarely do I cite market forces to address social problems, but to me this feels like an appropriate situation for it. Restaurants are constantly getting applications, and many who do not do well on high-tip nights will appreciate the stable paycheck. I won't put non-sense statistics to it, but while many servers do earn huge paychecks from tips, many others scrape by and fight for hours at minimum wage and have…

But part of the problem is that the tipping-culture already VERY quickly corrects that problem.

Restaurants generally over-staff, and tend to get really cutthroat about who stays and who gos when it's needed. A place I worked when I was younger would regularly take the lowest performer off of saturday nights every saturday night.

The ones who aren't making a huge amount of money on the busy nights are already removed from it before they can even think to complain about it.

And it was a very "open secret" that if the restaurant needed to "supplement" your wage for ANY reason, you were going to be gone the next week. I saw it happen many times. So it was somewhat common for the wait staff to "pad" their own wages with tips if they had a bad week.

So now you get the situation that everyone involved wants to keep tipping.

* Well-performing waiters want to keep tipping as they make a lot of money, not tips means a huge pay-cut.

* Under-performing waiters want to keep tipping because they know the second the restaurant needs to pay their wage, they will be the first to go. So it's either keep their low-paying job, or have no job.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by kutkloon7 »

bluedino wrote: post #167
ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

>> I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. 20% is an easy calculation. Move the decimal point over one, and double. $24.30 becomes $2.43, doubled you get $4.86 which is your tip. Round it up to $5 if you want. Did you really enjoy the service? Add another $2 or $3. Terrible waiter? Subtract $2 or $3.

20% is also a big part of the bill, and if you go out everything is overpriced already.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by oddlyaromatic »

shadowmint wrote: post #27
chipperyman573 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uber also pays drivers more than they charge users to begin with.

Sure, I'm just saying, it's clear you can make a business out of this sort of thing. Whether it's profitable, that's another question, clearly. Like I said, I can't imagine how it would work; but maybe there is some kind of like, 'you subscribe to a service, the service pays out 'tip equivalents', you don't have to tip' scheme that might make sense there somewhere. Basically, it's not totally implausible there might…

I think you were right about the catch 22 thing, which is the core problem that this article misses. Uber doesn't have tipping but don't you rate your rides in a way that can ultimately reduce the amount of work that driver gets? It has the punishment inverse of tipping.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by ThomPete »

padobson wrote: post #159

Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life. It gives us a chance to flex a muscle we don't flex often enough. We should be doing it more, not less. We should tip the cashier at the grocery store and our mechanics and our mail carriers and the referees at high school sporting events. Paypal tip jars and Humble Bundle's Pay What You Want model are two examples of tipping on the web…

The problem in the US is that tipping have become a part of the employees salary not a bonus for good work.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by Mithaldu »

bluedino wrote: post #167
ezoe wrote: post #58

As a person who was born and living in a country which has no tipping culture. The tipping sucks. I should have been fully informed how much should I have to pay before I purchase something or some service. Any extra demand from agreed amount should be illegal. I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker becom…

>> I also don't want to waste my precious time on paying the tip for calculating tax. 20% is an easy calculation. Move the decimal point over one, and double. $24.30 becomes $2.43, doubled you get $4.86 which is your tip. Round it up to $5 if you want. Did you really enjoy the service? Add another $2 or $3. Terrible waiter? Subtract $2 or $3.

Try doing 20% on an american credit card bill when you're drunk and leaving the house, where it wants you to write down the total AND the difference.

It's completely retarded in every conceivable way.

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