the real issue is the pages are getting slower when ads are served. it is really annoying.
The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
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Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just looked at the guru3d site. The content is the ad - there's no need to add more ads. You just need to monetize the "ads" you already have. You are promoting these products. Negotiate with the vendor or reseller directly to get your fair share.
That would have a deleterious effect on the editorial independence of their content, I imagine.
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Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are all valid reasons, but they are not the reason I first started to block ads: • They impose a surprisingly huge cognitive load. Even if you (like most people nowadays) are used to them and hence “do not notice them”, that very habit of ignoring them actually takes more brain power than you’d think.
Not reading them is the same as blocking them. To gain moral high ground people who compare adblocking to theft are required to read every ad on every website they encounter. The moral distinction between "I do not read ads" and "I block ads" is an illusion.
This does not take into account the security aspect. With the modern world being what it is one should be careful the code running on one's systems is from trusted sources. Adverts on the modern web violate this principle.
Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#174I disabled uBlock Origin and decided to see what ads they have on their site. Pretty much all of them were retargeting sites or products I'd looked at before, but had no intention of buying.
Only one was really relevant to their site, which was a gaming keyboard. The same screen real estate could be used to to link to their articles and reviews of products from their sponsors, which would be a lot more relevant and actually provide value to the reader.
Oh and whatever uBlock Origin blocks, made scrolling really laggy when it was enabled. I think I'll stick to using it thanks.
Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#175If your business model requires changes to reality, then your business model is probably dead. [If you have lobbying power, you can extend your business model for awhile, perhaps indefinitely ala content industry and copyright.] In other words, adapt your business model to change or die. It's not up to "reality", us, to change to support your business model. If there is demand for whatever you produce, someone will c…
Couldn't agree more. How to display content should be an absolute final decision on the part of the user. Adverts hijack hardware, bandwidth, screen space, electricity, and time, which belong to the user, not the advertiser or the site. Using adverts to make money is unethical, so I hope this site can change its business model successfully.
Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#176This is so common for the many anti-adblock texts you see these days - they all avoid to talk about the major issues here. (I say that with the background that a significant part of my income comes from ad-financed news pages.) That is: * Security risk through ads (malvertising, ad networks not supporting https etc.). * Ads killing performance (70% CPU for a flash ad is not uncommon). * Privacy (Ad vendors having mos…
We could have an ad API where browsers could make it impossible for ads to have certain things that users don't like (for me, anything animated or which interrupts the flow) and in return ad-block software could allow ads through the new API. It could be made to work with older browsers by having a tag that ad-api browsers recognized as render this ad in this element, rather than its content and which older browsers skipped. Make the API tight enough and it won't be a CPU issue, it won't be any more a security risk than browsing any old site that is able to serve you pictures.
I doubt privacy is salvable, and I wouldn't want ads that didn't know what I was interested in to show up at all, since those universually suck.
Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you think this is going to happen as a result, you must presume that it would be a good - i.e. acceptable and viable - solution. What kind of logic are you following? I think dropping a bomb on Paris is going to kill a whole lot of people. How does it follow that because I think that, it stands to reason that I think it's "good". > some other solution will have to be found Because we already have a solution. Uno…
> What kind of logic are you following? I think dropping a bomb on Paris is going to kill a whole lot of people. How does it follow that because I think that, it stands to reason that I think it's "good". It's good for the majority of publishers if they accept it as their preferred solution as you wrote. Unless you think they ought to be driven by other motives than making sound business decisions - like cruelty or w…
> It's good for the majority of publishers if they accept it as their preferred solution as you wrote. Unless you think they ought to be driven by other motives than making sound business decisions - like cruelty or whatever you were trying to insinuate with your slanted rhetoric.
Perhaps my rhetoric is slanted, but yours is fully bent. When only one solution eventually exists, it doesn't make it the preferred solution, it makes it the nuclear option. Quit spouting nonsense about cruelty. I'm suggesting that advertising-supported businesses are eventually going to have one remaining option. That isn't slanted rhetoric. That's common sense.
Unless of course we come up with a completely new way for content creators to earn a living with their content outside of charging for it, or using advertising for it. Because new forms of compensation in exchange for content are popping up all the time.
> Well, go ahead and use it then. What's holding you back? Altruism and the urge to save users from the consequences of their personal choices? Oh, please...
I'm starting to believe you are just putting words together so you sound smart. No one is going to change to paywalls until every has to. Until then the middle of the pack is going to continue fighting for scraps while the giants in the industry (Google, Facebook, Microsoft) continue to profit on the sheer mass of their user base, and hedging their bets with non-advertising products.
But you keep spouting pseudo-Socratic arguments about how "nothing is stopping us" from moving to a model nobody wants but the end-user is steadily preventing any other alternative.
Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#178I use uBlock Origin. I don't block ads - I block 3rd party requests. People that complain about ad blocking are indeed missing the mark. I'm fine with ads - really. But if you want them seen, you are going to have to serve them yourself. There is no going backwards - for reasons spelled out by others in this thread. So if your business depends on ads, then you are in the ad business. Web sites are going to have to be…
That won't work for small sites that aren't going to have a million monthly views, which means you are effectively chocking of new websites, or forcing them to proxy the request through their own site, thus pointlessly driving up the cost. I get that some people don't want to be tracked (I don't mind as long as I can selectively turn it of), but please at least be honest about what you don't like.
In fact it only works for small sites. Big sites will get on the default blocklist right away.
Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's exactly this kind of attitude that is going to lead to paywalls for virtually every type of content on the Internet. If you think this is going to happen as a result, you must presume that it would be a good - i.e. acceptable and viable - solution. Why do you simultaneously try to use it as a threatening outlook? If enough people perceive it as a threat or discover later that paywalls are even less convenient…
> If you think this is going to happen as a result, you must presume that it would be a good - i.e. acceptable and viable - solution. What kind of logic are you following? I think dropping a bomb on Paris is going to kill a whole lot of people. How does it follow that because I think that, it stands to reason that I think it's "good". > some other solution will have to be found Because we already have a solution. Uno…
> The main reason ad-blockers exist is because fools with decision-making powers and no critical-thinking skills decided to make ads obtrusive.
I remember differently, when ads started to appear on the web, it was promptly followed by adblocking. Actual reason was to block ads.
Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Which ad blockers provide for that header being sent? I've never seen it before and I can't find any information on it. Did you just make it up?
My answer was to your question:
"What header does your browser send to my server informing me that you are blocking ads so that I know to deny you my content?"
1. "Did you just make it up?" -> No.
2. "Which ad blockers provide for that header being sent?" -> Use a plugin in Firefox to set custom headers
3. Do website honor my header? -> Not yet.