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Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by lisivka »

LargeCompanies wrote: post #97

I use ad blockers because certain streaming sites I visit are the worst in terms of pop ups. I feel bad that using a blocker for these types of sites by default blocks all other sites. Publishers need to get paid and we as consumers don't want to pay for web content. Non intrusive ads and ads are needed and should be respected in terms of allowing us the opportunity to make a living creating content and or enjoying c…

Lost of their income due to their bad service is not a your problem. You are just helping them to understand their mistake. Feel good.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by mattwar »

I have hated ads from the time of dialup Internet when I was paying by the minute for access, ads increased my bills - I was paying for them.

The same now where o pay based on my internet usage, on mobile it is not cheap, and the cost of ad's is again on my shoulders.

So, I don't want ads. Simple.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by intrasight »

I use uBlock Origin. I don't block ads - I block 3rd party requests. People that complain about ad blocking are indeed missing the mark. I'm fine with ads - really. But if you want them seen, you are going to have to serve them yourself. There is no going backwards - for reasons spelled out by others in this thread. So if your business depends on ads, then you are in the ad business. Web sites are going to have to become like magazines. When I look at a magazine, I don't see a page with the message "please go get this other publication and look at the ad on page 3". I see the ad - in the publication I am viewing. Really, stop wining and just create quality content and engage with advertisers and ad firms that will create quality ads FOR YOU that will be place IN YOUR web page. Nothing exists that I know of that can block such ads.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by nwhitmore »

jwmerrill wrote: post #103
fromMars wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also not a fan of annoying ads and maybe I am just a crotchety old guy, but, IMO, using an Ad Blocker and viewing content is theft. If one is concerned with privacy, there are alternative measures such as cookie blocking options, legislation, etc. If the ad formats are annoying then the right thing to do is to let the publisher know and work out a way to pay for the content ad-free or just stop using the site. I…

> using an Ad Blocker and viewing content is theft. Here's a different POV. Using an ad blocker is not theft: it's a negotiation. When I click on a link to your site from a site like HN, I have not implicitly agreed to whatever terms you would like to impose on me. I can't even really know them ahead of time. Instead, I'm sending my User Agent to negotiate fetching some resources. If I decline to fetch your ads, you…

Really? What header does your browser send to my server informing me that you are blocking ads so that I know to deny you my content?

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by BogusIKnow »

One of these websites:

"This website uses cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our website."

instead of

"This website uses cookies to track your behaviour across this and other websites to better target and retarget you with ads. Identifying and segmenting you ensures higher advertising rates. Thanks."

Still waiting for the first website with an honest cookie warning.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by nwhitmore »

BogusIKnow wrote: post #94
fromMars wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also not a fan of annoying ads and maybe I am just a crotchety old guy, but, IMO, using an Ad Blocker and viewing content is theft. If one is concerned with privacy, there are alternative measures such as cookie blocking options, legislation, etc. If the ad formats are annoying then the right thing to do is to let the publisher know and work out a way to pay for the content ad-free or just stop using the site. I…

I don't agree. If I get a magazine which is mostly not financed by my payment but the ads, and rip out all ads and throw them away, or throw the ad supplements away and not read them, is it theft? If it is theft blocking (aka not reading) ads online, is it theft if I just don't read them? And I don't want to argue, just interested, where is the difference in not reading them and blocking them? Is it morally imperativ…

So, if it is ok for you to view content while denying the content producers the ability to monetize that content, then would you also agree it is ok to take content from behind a paywall and display it for free on your site?

If not, what is it specifically that makes the first ok but not the other?

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by BogusIKnow »

nwhitmore wrote: post #114
jwmerrill wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> using an Ad Blocker and viewing content is theft. Here's a different POV. Using an ad blocker is not theft: it's a negotiation. When I click on a link to your site from a site like HN, I have not implicitly agreed to whatever terms you would like to impose on me. I can't even really know them ahead of time. Instead, I'm sending my User Agent to negotiate fetching some resources. If I decline to fetch your ads, you…

Really? What header does your browser send to my server informing me that you are blocking ads so that I know to deny you my content?

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Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by jhall1468 »

njharman wrote: post #84

If your business model requires changes to reality, then your business model is probably dead. [If you have lobbying power, you can extend your business model for awhile, perhaps indefinitely ala content industry and copyright.] In other words, adapt your business model to change or die. It's not up to "reality", us, to change to support your business model. If there is demand for whatever you produce, someone will c…

It's exactly this kind of attitude that is going to lead to paywalls for virtually every type of content on the Internet. And the people that use the most heavy-handed approaches with ad-blocking are going to be the same people that are screaming "NOT MY PROBLEM" while the ship goes down.

Their business model doesn't require changes to reality. Their business model requires the end-user to accept reality for what it is: you can't get a bunch of free stuff, ad infinitum, while simultaneously blocking the only feasible revenue model for said free stuff.

> It's not up to "reality", us, to change to support your business model.

Did you pat yourself on the back while you said that, or right after?

We are not reality. The reality is, ad-blocking will be the absolute death of currency-free content. This abuse of the word reality is truly odd to me.

You seem to think every choice we make as consumers is the current reality. What you call reality, I call a house of cards.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by intrasight »

intrasight wrote: post #113

I use uBlock Origin. I don't block ads - I block 3rd party requests. People that complain about ad blocking are indeed missing the mark. I'm fine with ads - really. But if you want them seen, you are going to have to serve them yourself. There is no going backwards - for reasons spelled out by others in this thread. So if your business depends on ads, then you are in the ad business. Web sites are going to have to be…

I just looked at the guru3d site. The content is the ad - there's no need to add more ads. You just need to monetize the "ads" you already have. You are promoting these products. Negotiate with the vendor or reseller directly to get your fair share.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by BogusIKnow »

BogusIKnow wrote: post #94
fromMars wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am also not a fan of annoying ads and maybe I am just a crotchety old guy, but, IMO, using an Ad Blocker and viewing content is theft. If one is concerned with privacy, there are alternative measures such as cookie blocking options, legislation, etc. If the ad formats are annoying then the right thing to do is to let the publisher know and work out a way to pay for the content ad-free or just stop using the site. I…

I don't agree. If I get a magazine which is mostly not financed by my payment but the ads, and rip out all ads and throw them away, or throw the ad supplements away and not read them, is it theft? If it is theft blocking (aka not reading) ads online, is it theft if I just don't read them? And I don't want to argue, just interested, where is the difference in not reading them and blocking them? Is it morally imperativ…

@nwhitmore: No. I'm not proposing circumventing copyright measures. But I do not read ads a website presents.

I would not steal a magazine form a news stand or break a lock to get a magazine. But I throw away ad supplements before I read anything in a magazine.

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